Thoiughts on NEWTOWN tragedy
Dec 16, 2012 21:33:56 #
I have listened to all the rhetoric that has been presented by the news organizations and what has been so politically presented by our elected officials. Here's a possible partial solution to this type of tragedy.
1. We now have many states that require that firearms be under lock and key in homes where children are present. How about we include homes that have those members that are under psychiatric care as well: either the owner of the weapons or someone living at that premises. I also submit that all guns should be removed from these homes and the doctor be ordered to report such mental defect to child services and the police so these weopons can successfully be confiscated either temporarily or permanently from such premises.
2. No magazine having more than 10 rounds shall not be sold or used and those presently owned should be illegal and destroyed.
3. As we are in the near future to be going onto national health care, anyone requesting to purchase a firearm should also be evaluated by a certified mental health doctor for possible mental defect before the sale can be finallized. This evaluation would be part of the registration process and at the expense of the buyer. If found to be of mental defect, the sale would be stopped. This evaluation process should be repeated every 4 years as you do with your driver's license in order to keep these weopons.
4. No weopons should be sold to individuals who care for or are guardian to a mentally deficient individual in their household or immediate family without proof of proper storage to authorities.
5. All hollowpoint ammunition should be banned and the sale of it should be illegal. Also, this holds true for any form of ammunition that is armor piercing, explosive tipped and tracer material encapsulated or tipped.
6. As we now will have national health coverage for all, reports shall be made to social services, social security for dissability, or a licensed doctor feeling that someone has potential of committing a crime or cause disorder, would be mandated to automatic report such person or household and the removal of any and all firearms and deadly weopons from such household shall be accoplished by the proper authorities.
I have one other thing to think about here. Where were all the men that worked at this school? I commend the principal for her heroic attempt to stop this carnage but I keep thinking that there must have been some men working there. The janitor, a male teacher, gym teacher, or maintenance worker were all invisible and did not make attempt to stop this shooting. The shooter had to stop and reload or change weopons at some point since none of the weopons could fire well over 26 rounds without a reload. Where were these cowards hiding? Is it not the primary responcibility of the staff to protect these children from harm instead of hiding to protect themselves?
I also commend the practice of this school of locking the entry doors after school has commenced and their security process for entry. I have some concerns about the glass used at these entry points if a few shots from a weopon can shatter them though. I seem to remember wire mesh or plastic used between the pains of glass that would make the windows shatter resistant or allow the bullets to pass and only leave holes in them. I agree it would be overly expensive to install bulletproof glass, but the use of the wire mesh or lamination to avoid shattering seems to be within reason for schools and public buildings. Hell, they do that for court houses to protect judges so why not for our children.
JMHO
1. We now have many states that require that firearms be under lock and key in homes where children are present. How about we include homes that have those members that are under psychiatric care as well: either the owner of the weapons or someone living at that premises. I also submit that all guns should be removed from these homes and the doctor be ordered to report such mental defect to child services and the police so these weopons can successfully be confiscated either temporarily or permanently from such premises.
2. No magazine having more than 10 rounds shall not be sold or used and those presently owned should be illegal and destroyed.
3. As we are in the near future to be going onto national health care, anyone requesting to purchase a firearm should also be evaluated by a certified mental health doctor for possible mental defect before the sale can be finallized. This evaluation would be part of the registration process and at the expense of the buyer. If found to be of mental defect, the sale would be stopped. This evaluation process should be repeated every 4 years as you do with your driver's license in order to keep these weopons.
4. No weopons should be sold to individuals who care for or are guardian to a mentally deficient individual in their household or immediate family without proof of proper storage to authorities.
5. All hollowpoint ammunition should be banned and the sale of it should be illegal. Also, this holds true for any form of ammunition that is armor piercing, explosive tipped and tracer material encapsulated or tipped.
6. As we now will have national health coverage for all, reports shall be made to social services, social security for dissability, or a licensed doctor feeling that someone has potential of committing a crime or cause disorder, would be mandated to automatic report such person or household and the removal of any and all firearms and deadly weopons from such household shall be accoplished by the proper authorities.
I have one other thing to think about here. Where were all the men that worked at this school? I commend the principal for her heroic attempt to stop this carnage but I keep thinking that there must have been some men working there. The janitor, a male teacher, gym teacher, or maintenance worker were all invisible and did not make attempt to stop this shooting. The shooter had to stop and reload or change weopons at some point since none of the weopons could fire well over 26 rounds without a reload. Where were these cowards hiding? Is it not the primary responcibility of the staff to protect these children from harm instead of hiding to protect themselves?
I also commend the practice of this school of locking the entry doors after school has commenced and their security process for entry. I have some concerns about the glass used at these entry points if a few shots from a weopon can shatter them though. I seem to remember wire mesh or plastic used between the pains of glass that would make the windows shatter resistant or allow the bullets to pass and only leave holes in them. I agree it would be overly expensive to install bulletproof glass, but the use of the wire mesh or lamination to avoid shattering seems to be within reason for schools and public buildings. Hell, they do that for court houses to protect judges so why not for our children.
JMHO
Dec 16, 2012 22:29:57 #
My confusion began way back at #1. You're saying that firearms in the homes of "mentally deficient" persons should by lock up, and then you say they should be removed from the premises. If they're removed from the premises they hardly need to be locked up.
Additionally, I have misgivings about punishing people for anticipated crimes.
At the end of the day, you're not talking about guns, knives, screwdrivers, hammers, baseball bats, et al. Your talking about human misbehavior. You've given this alot of thought, and it could be more productive if directed to the proper topic. At least you're trying to come up with some solutions, singleviking, that's more than alot of people are doing.
Additionally, I have misgivings about punishing people for anticipated crimes.
At the end of the day, you're not talking about guns, knives, screwdrivers, hammers, baseball bats, et al. Your talking about human misbehavior. You've given this alot of thought, and it could be more productive if directed to the proper topic. At least you're trying to come up with some solutions, singleviking, that's more than alot of people are doing.
Dec 16, 2012 23:16:28 #
Danilo wrote:
My confusion began way back at #1. You're saying ... (show quote)
Danilo,
I think that all weopons in a home with children present require the use a lockbox or gun safe in most states and the possibility of misuse by the afflicted individual might be elliminated. I have heard nothing about any gunsafe or lockbox in this household. I thought I said that the weopons should be removed if there is not sufficient security to keep these weopons out of the hands of anyone that might misuse them. Maybe I left a bit out, but at least I gave it some thought and some possible solution or approach to the problem. Without discussion of this subject, there can be no resolution.
As a gun owner myself, I use trigger locks and lockbox for pistols and have all my weopons registered. This woman obviously took little are no precautions in keeping these weopons out of the hands of her son. She obviously knew he had problems as she discussed with neighbors and relatives her son's condition and ailment and it is not recoverable through drugs or treatment. It can be controled or reduced at best. I also feel it the obligation of social services to check on homes where mentally ill individuals reside to inspect for compliance to proper weapons storage. If they receive income from public funds or Social Security Income due to his condition, then compliance inspection should be mandated, even if only on an annual basis.
At least it's a start in the right direction.
We all know that illegal weopons can not be stopped all togeather. Hell, you can make a pistol quite easily. But the sale of ammo should require proof of elligibility and age and a record kept for reporting purposes if any sale is accomplished. Not all states have this.
Dec 16, 2012 23:49:45 #
Maybe we need to go "outside the box" for this one. If it becomes more difficult for me to purchase a firearm, then I'm in effect being blamed for something I had nothing to do with. If it's harder for you to buy ammunition, then YOU'RE being blamed, and that's just not right. There are over 200 million firearms owners who are totally blameless for this terrible incident, and yet some would punish them for what happened. This just makes no sense.
Nobody seems to want to address the human behavior aspect of this, and yet that's the real core issue.
This kid's mother was obviously irresponsible in securing her firearms, and THAT should be addressed. I agree we need more education in proper firearms storage and security at the time of sale. I do not think we need more laws.
It's already illegal to murder someone, we don't really need alot more than that. If that law doesn't work, I doubt if another law would, either.
Nobody seems to want to address the human behavior aspect of this, and yet that's the real core issue.
This kid's mother was obviously irresponsible in securing her firearms, and THAT should be addressed. I agree we need more education in proper firearms storage and security at the time of sale. I do not think we need more laws.
It's already illegal to murder someone, we don't really need alot more than that. If that law doesn't work, I doubt if another law would, either.
Dec 17, 2012 00:02:27 #
The ailment that this shooter had is one where there is difficulty in expressing what he wants to say properly. There is difficulty with words.It has been determined that this is a brain connection problem and classified as a legitimate disability. As they get older, the ridicule by pears or passersby of those afflicted can lead to hostility and anger. Is that not enough to classify this person as a serious threat if allowed to go untreated or at least escorted?
We can't arrest people for thought crimes but we can keep weopons out of the hands of those having problems that can lead to depression or hostility or worse, murder.
Anyone can be brought to the point of hostility if depressed or they feel that there is no way out. Mental illness is not a life long ailment for most but this child had serious brain problems that are not repairable if the diagnosis was correct. JMHO.
We can't arrest people for thought crimes but we can keep weopons out of the hands of those having problems that can lead to depression or hostility or worse, murder.
Anyone can be brought to the point of hostility if depressed or they feel that there is no way out. Mental illness is not a life long ailment for most but this child had serious brain problems that are not repairable if the diagnosis was correct. JMHO.
Dec 17, 2012 01:06:39 #
Rendering this individual, Adam Lanza, harmless could have been as simple as putting him in a mental institution. Then everyone could have their guns, and buy ammunition, and not be worried.
It would appear he wasn't getting the sort of attention he needed, so anything would be better than that.
It would appear he wasn't getting the sort of attention he needed, so anything would be better than that.
Dec 17, 2012 01:10:08 #
Dec 17, 2012 02:26:36 #
I think that in someway you should be watched closely and maybe be controlled by our government. I am saying you not me. In truth I don't think you would want to have your life controlled either. What you say sounds good but it gives the government too much control over our lives. Laws should be made to protect us - not to control us.
Dec 17, 2012 05:12:48 #
Bangee5 wrote:
I think that in someway you should be watched closely and maybe be controlled by our government. I am saying you not me. In truth I don't think you would want to have your life controlled either. What you say sounds good but it gives the government too much control over our lives. Laws should be made to protect us - not to control us.
We already live in a society that has control of our every day life and demands restrictions. They are called LAWS. The idea here is to keep any weopons out of the hands of the mentally ill and children, and the mandtory installation of gun safes or lock boxes to prevent unauthorized use or theft. In Newtown, those guns were easily accessable by this individual which should have been illegal.
Dec 17, 2012 05:57:05 #
kaybee
Loc: Peterborough UK
Since the assassinations of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King in 1968, over 1 MILLION AMERICANS, CHILDREN AND ADULTS, HAVE BEEN SHOT TO DEATH.
What more do you want?
What more do you want?
Dec 17, 2012 06:14:08 #
Danilo wrote:
Rendering this individual, Adam Lanza, harmless could have been as simple as putting him in a mental institution. Then everyone could have their guns, and buy ammunition, and not be worried.
It would appear he wasn't getting the sort of attention he needed, so anything would be better than that.
It would appear he wasn't getting the sort of attention he needed, so anything would be better than that.
Well said...
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Dec 17, 2012 06:52:40 #
Dec 17, 2012 06:55:22 #
Add
Loc: S.W.Florida
Locking up firearms where children can not get to them would not have worked in this case,this kook was no longer a child.
Dec 17, 2012 07:38:26 #
jimbo70
Loc: Orange Park, FL.
The other day one of our British friends in this forum reported that gun restrictions are so tough in the UK that the Olympic pistol team has to go out of the country to practice, and yet gun crimes have increase five fold.
Dec 17, 2012 07:39:45 #
berchman
Loc: South Central PA
To be effective in cases of home invasion, a firearm needs to be loaded and at hand. One has only a few seconds to react. I don't have children, so unauthorized access is not an issue for me. However, I've thought about what I would do if I had children. The answer would be *always* to wear the holstered firearm. At night, the bedroom door is kept locked so children cannot enter. Going to the toilet, the firearm goes with one and the door is locked.
I have taken many courses in self-defense and have concluded that if one wants to realistically be prepared for the worst, this is what one must do. Otherwise, keeping locked up, unloaded firearms merely acts as a self-deluding pacifier.
I have taken many courses in self-defense and have concluded that if one wants to realistically be prepared for the worst, this is what one must do. Otherwise, keeping locked up, unloaded firearms merely acts as a self-deluding pacifier.
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