For the unbelievers.. (Page 2): Got a long way to go, IMO.

wapiti Loc: round rock, texas

Got a long way to go, IMO.

gwilliams6

azted wrote:

There was a feature length movie made with an iphone a couple of years ago. I saw it in the theatre and there is no way I would have known it was made any way different than most films I have seen. That ship has sailed!!

Movie apparent resolution on a theater screen is very different than actual photo resolution on a 4k monitor, just a fact. And those iphone movies are shot with professional lighting and sound, and using luts and color grading to expand the tonal range . Not straight out of that iphone camera. You wont get that with your iphone, just try it.

James Cameron and Steve Spielberg are not shooting their feature films with iphones. Get real, LOL

Cheers and best to you.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

wcmoorejr wrote:

I have an iPhone 12 and feel the same way. I use m... (show quote)

Yep. The phone manufacturers have HUGE R&D budgets and have really invested in camera innovation and image processing innovation. They make them for what the masses photograph on vacation and in everyday situations. Museum visits are typical. We used our iPhones extensively in Europe last October.

Of course, that 7DII dates back to 11/2014. It's almost as old as my Lumix GH4. Cameras of all kinds have come a long way in nine years. I'll probably pick up whatever is next in that series (a Lumix GH6 Mark II? GH6X? GH7?).

alexol

gwilliams6 wrote:

Movie apparent resolution on a theater screen is very different than actual photo resolution on a 4k monitor, just a fact. And those iphone movies are shot with professional lighting and sound, and using luts and color grading to expand the tonal range . Not straight out of that iphone camera. You wont get that with your iphone, just try it.

James Cameron and Steve Spielberg are not shooting their feature films with iphones. Get real, LOL

Cheers and best to you.

They aren't using some mirrorless camera either, so maybe get real yourself and consider that phone cameras are just another tool, not a replacement (yet).

I have the big lenses and the fancy camera - and most of the time it all stays in its bag.

Horses for courses..

Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak

Interesting comparison there. You might want to post this on the Smartphone Photography section, as well. There’s been some talk about this there.

jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania

Toment wrote:

Still not believing…

ngphotog Loc: Michigan

Where have you been? Several feature films have been shot with smart phones, and some have won awards.
Here is a list of 12 of them as of 2018. More have been shot since then.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/unsane-tangerine-films-iphones-1202730676/

In February, Steven Spielberg produced and shot his first music video entirely on an iPhone.

jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania

flyguy wrote:

Iphone will never replace my DSLR.

jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania

NJFrank wrote:

I’m not giving up my horse and buggy for one of those new fandango horseless carriage.🤪

Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida

StanMac wrote:

Wouldn’t sensor manufacturers (Sony) also apply whatever innovations they develop for the tiny phone camera sensors to their ILC camera sensors?

Stan

One would think so but Sony operates their different divisions as isolated silos. It's remarkable how little sharing goes on between the divisions. So while their cell phone division works on upping computational photography to compete with Google, Samsung and Apple, what they develop isn't being incorporated into their mirrorless cameras. It's a shame because marrying these two technological paradigms would catapult Sony even farther beyond Nikon and Canon. Imagine if you could hand hold your full frame mirrorless camera the way Google's Nightsight allows you to handhold a cellphone in low light. Or if you could automatically focus stack in camera. Etc and etc.

Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida

burkphoto wrote:

Yep. The phone manufacturers have HUGE R&D bud... (show quote)

Went to Europe with spring with a Nikon D750, also from 2014. Admittedly that camera was very advanced for its time but it is now a bit dated. My Google Pixel 7 takes excellent photos but at the end of the day, it's still not up to the D750. Yes, the Pixel is delightfully convenient and yes it takes remarkable photos for its size but if I really want to get the best photo, I'm reaching for the nearly 10 year old D750.

Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA

MDI Mainer wrote:

May be sooner that you think! br br i At a recen... (show quote)

My daughter recently bought a Samsung with a 100x camera. She was at a concert well back from the stage and took some shots fully zoomed in. The singer was photographed above the waist and the shot was unbelievably sharp and clear. I'm sure if it were expanded to 8x10 or larger it would pixelate a lot, but for Facebook type shots it was better than I would have ever imagined! It could most likely be run through Topaz Gigapixel and even an enlargement could be made from it. I wonder how this will impact some events -- I have been to several that will allow cameras of the point-and-shoot variety but not allow "professional" type cameras. If you will be able to get professional quality shots from a smartphone, will venues ban them as well?

Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida

neillaubenthal wrote:

Might be plausibly correct for 1x or other native optical zoom in the phone…but for any sort of real wildlife telephoto shots physics because of the small phone dimensions and the very small pixels compared to fuller size cameras…physics will always, always win.

I think this is likely. I've been surprised at how much they've gotten out of cell phones and expect them to continue to advance, but it's hard to overcome physics. A sensor smaller than my fingertip with a slightly larger plastic lens. I mean absolutely phenomenal what they have done with that but I can't see how that ever beats or matches a full frame sensor with a multi element glass lens attached. I embrace new technology. I saw mirroless replacing DSLR's almost a decade ago, and bring on the AI. But physics is tough to beat. I found that out while I was young and managed to survive my experiments to prove it wrong. Happily the failure of those experiments didn't kill me.

azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.

ngphotog wrote:

Where have you been? Several feature films have been shot with smart phones, and some have won awards.
Here is a list of 12 of them as of 2018. More have been shot since then.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/unsane-tangerine-films-iphones-1202730676/

In February, Steven Spielberg produced and shot his first music video entirely on an iPhone.

Thank You. It was "Unsane" that I saw in the theatre. Yes, these people know how to light a scene, but the quality they get from the iPhone movie is incredible. Not that I'm giving up my A7iv either........!

Rongnongno Loc: FL

The usual 'heck no!' because it is a new technology.

I heard the same thing when digital photography came out. Now these same 'heck no' of that time are the same today, just older and less adaptable.

At this point smart phones are still in their infancy but show a promise that might be fulfilled in a few years.

Their sensors technology is incredibly advanced compared to our regular DSLR. Check it out. If this is applied to DSLR we would see a quantum leap in quality.

Now is not the time to give up your cherished DSLR, I agree but you must be able to keep an eye on the progress made so that you do not miss an opportunity.

As to posting moronic selfie as justification for saying 'NO!'... This is just as moronic as taking the picture of a pile of poop to describe the quality of many posts in the UHH gallery.

There is one aspect of cellphone technology that concerns me, similar to the one I have with the new tendency in DSLR 'mirrorless'. It relates mirrorless cameras. Folks will have a hard time seeing if a great digital viewfinder is not provided.