Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

If someone doesn’t care for something does that mean they despise it?

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

If it’s presented in a way to imply it’s something it isn’t, then not saying anything is a lie of omission.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

The real question is WHY do you post there and then complain there is no comment of your threads if you feel that way? Do you just want personal attention?

Note: Since you complained of not having comments from anyone, I posted a lengthy critical analysis of your latest thread, created yesterday.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Actually denying the existence of something or someone is the worst form of reaction. That is why some religions use 'shunning' as a form of punishment.

blue-ultra Loc: New Hampshire

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RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

If you print or write a lie on paper (or by electronic media) and present it without saying anything, are you not lying?
Does the truth rely on what the recipient the message infers?

I am wondering about the distinction between a lie contained in words and one contained in an image. When words are held out as fiction that is fine, when the image is fiction that is fine as well, just don't claim it as the unvarnished truth.

R.G. Loc: Scotland

Most of the people who have photography as a main interest are also interested in post processing, mainly because PP can be used to improve what the camera captured. Many of the people who are interested in PP have a wider interest in imagery in general and that interest is not limited to realism. Imagery can be forensic, documentary, personal, decorative, artistic and abstract, with the possibility of overlap (there are other ways to categorise and sub-categorise but those are the main ones). Anyone who has an interest in imagery may have an interest in any of those categories, either individually or in any combination.

There are obviously strong connections between photography, post processing and imagery in general, so why shouldn't a photography site allow for those connections? Something would be missing if it didn't. Drawing lines in the sand smacks of exclusivity. My guess is that if somebody started a SOOC forum that was exclusively about unprocessed, straight from camera images it wouldn't have much of a following. And there wouldn't be much to be learned from it beyond the technicalities of getting it "right" in camera (in that context, "right" has a very narrow and limited definition). There are lots of places where we can learn about the technicalities, but what about developing our "eye" for a good photo and spotting the potential for a good image. What about creativity? Most would say those are the most important things to develop and without them our output would be sterile, unevocative, uninspiring, unengaging etc.

Most would say that "spotting the potential for a good image" is what this kind of photography is all about. My suggestion is that we don't exclude images that are either partly or wholly created unless there is a specific expectation for purely documentary images. The same applies to images that have been either slightly or extensively modified in PP. Being exclusive is counterproductive and won't make for an inspiring or nurturing environment that encourages creativity.

We should, however, be willing to be honest and transparent. That's between each individual and their own conscience. Disclosure removes any suspicion.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

As long as identified as such, YES.

There’s no harm in fantasy if it’s truthfully identified as fantasy.

Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona

That was a question seeking information on the attitudes of UHH members regarding the posting of any AI images on UHH. I think Paul (CHG_Canon) was right and this has become more of a social site than a photography site.

niteman3d Loc: South Central Pennsylvania, USA

My first question... What is AI? SOOC? No such thing in most cases. Only uncompressed raw or film meet that requirement. Does a photo from a phone qualify as AI? Telling an editing program by voice or text interface just what you want in your print? Editing software that replaces your sky for you? Blemish remover, object mover/remover. Any JPG can be regarded as having been created to a greater or lesser extent by AI.

Second question, who's the judge of where it starts and stops and how do you prove or disprove how much or little Artificial Intelligence had to do with the creation of an image? In other words, who will tell the photographer/editor that they believe them to be a liar or cheat once you decide what lying and cheating are? Not I.

goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl

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My Vote =

Fully Agree ~ "A.I. Images" are Digital Art
...... Not Photography


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billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Photoshop has for years been using AI, many of the posts here have been run through AI systems for years. I personally see nothing wrong with it.
Painters for centuries have been putting their own AI into their painting since the dawn of time.
It is a photographers creative right to do so.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

There is lying through omission.