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Aug 5, 2023 08:41:04   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
kpmac wrote:
They'll need the money to beef up the grid, too.

Yes. Definitely.

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Aug 5, 2023 08:46:19   #
Triple G
 
jerryc41 wrote:
But there are are less expensive options.


Less expensive in cost to consumer or cost to environment?

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Aug 5, 2023 08:46:43   #
BebuLamar
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
It's not bad enough yet; people are greedy and uwilling to change their current lifestyles. The next generation or the one after will pay the real price.


But I can't afford electric car. My best effort is to buy tiny gas powered car which is cheap and cheap on gas which I can afford also it still burns fossil fuel but a lot less than a big vehicle. Also I am not so sure about the evironmental impact of batteries used in electric cars. Here in Texas most power plants are gas fired which burn also fossil fuel so I wouldn't know how much I can help even if I can afford an electric car.
I do own a house with garage that I can install a charger but if I have an electric car I must also have a gasoline powered car because if I take a 250 mile trip from Dallas to Houston I have to find a charging station and spend some time charging as soon as I get to Houston.

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Aug 5, 2023 08:50:11   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
But I can't afford electric car. My best effort is to buy tiny gas powered car which is cheap and cheap on gas which I can afford also it still burns fossil fuel but a lot less than a big vehicle. Also I am not so sure about the evironmental impact of batteries used in electric cars. Here in Texas most power plants are gas fired which burn also fossil fuel so I wouldn't know how much I can help even if I can afford an electric car.
I do own a house with garage that I can install a charger but if I have an electric car I must also have a gasoline powered car because if I take a 250 mile trip from Dallas to Houston I have to find a charging station and spend some time charging as soon as I get to Houston.
But I can't afford electric car. My best effort is... (show quote)


That's why my son and have the Honda Fit. 40+ MPG.

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Aug 5, 2023 08:55:23   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
If you thought about buying an EV to save money on gas, think again! Texans who drive all-electric vehicles will pay the price to the state. Beginning Sept. 1, 2023, owners of those vehicles will pay a $200/year fee to the state at the time of registration or renewal. New electric vehicles issued two years of registration to match a two-year inspection will have to pay a $400 fee.

Reason for this, as the state thinks, is that for an EV owner, there is much less fuel tax that is not being paid on the purchase of gasoline. This is the state's way of mitigating those losses. Betcha that other states will soon follow suit.
If you thought about buying an EV to save money on... (show quote)


And that will eventually rise to the point that there will be no significant savings, just more pollution by electric companies

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Aug 5, 2023 09:00:40   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
sodapop wrote:
And that will eventually rise to the point that there will be no significant savings, just more pollution by electric companies

Trade-offs?

Perception?


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Aug 5, 2023 09:15:24   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 

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Aug 5, 2023 09:26:12   #
Triple G
 
BebuLamar wrote:
But I can't afford electric car. My best effort is to buy tiny gas powered car which is cheap and cheap on gas which I can afford also it still burns fossil fuel but a lot less than a big vehicle. Also I am not so sure about the evironmental impact of batteries used in electric cars. Here in Texas most power plants are gas fired which burn also fossil fuel so I wouldn't know how much I can help even if I can afford an electric car.
I do own a house with garage that I can install a charger but if I have an electric car I must also have a gasoline powered car because if I take a 250 mile trip from Dallas to Houston I have to find a charging station and spend some time charging as soon as I get to Houston.
But I can't afford electric car. My best effort is... (show quote)


Many are in your situation...it's an evolution just like hand held calculators and computers. The early adopters are the ones who can afford the early higher costs and pave the way to more innovation and more volume, lower cost, higher demand and then the market forces take over. Our generation is not the target audience for these changes (many aren't about to anyway) but our grandchildren certainly are and they are much more open to innovation and progress.

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Aug 5, 2023 09:36:32   #
dbjazz Loc: Long Island, NY
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
If you thought about buying an EV to save money on gas, think again! Texans who drive all-electric vehicles will pay the price to the state. Beginning Sept. 1, 2023, owners of those vehicles will pay a $200/year fee to the state at the time of registration or renewal. New electric vehicles issued two years of registration to match a two-year inspection will have to pay a $400 fee.

Reason for this, as the state thinks, is that for an EV owner, there is much less fuel tax that is not being paid on the purchase of gasoline. This is the state's way of mitigating those losses. Betcha that other states will soon follow suit.
If you thought about buying an EV to save money on... (show quote)


Another consideration is that EVs often weigh twice as much as a comparable ICE vehicle which results in more road damage (think: your car vs. a tractor trailer). Even if you don't drive an EV, your tax dollars pay to maintain those roads. This attempts to even the playing field a bit.

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Aug 5, 2023 09:38:39   #
jiminnee
 
Personally, I agree completely with you, for a lot of reasons.

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Aug 5, 2023 09:46:15   #
Schwabo Loc: Florida
 
Ditto!

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Aug 5, 2023 09:59:37   #
JBRIII
 
Economics and human reactions work just any other dynamic system, but politically its rarely taken into account at the start. Increasing gas mileage has also created revenue headaches for states. Offer extra lanes for higher occupancy and you get lower taxes and eventually those lanes are a standstill. My friend in Italy said, decades ago now, that they promoted diesel by lower diesel taxes until everybody changed, no tax income, so they taxed diesel. As someone said here, there's no free lunch. Texas has no income tax, but property taxes are horrible. West VA keeps lower taxes, but ranks near last or last in categories like health, roads, etc. Counties want jobs, but also want to limit housing, because that means more schools, which costs more than the tax gains from the jobs, but then of course traffic must increase, can't teleport to the job. China wants people to move to those new, empty cities, but does not give permits for their children to go to school there! Even a dictatorship can try to defy economic realities for so long, you can order the impossible, but that doesn't mean you can get it.

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Aug 5, 2023 10:04:45   #
Toby
 
Wow what a lot of pessimists! Ford has admitted that the move to EV's is slower than they anticipated, and they are lowering prices and reducing production but no word that they are running away from them.
Do you really think that you are smarter than these multibillion-dollar companies that have invested in the EV future haven't done any research???? or that our scientists and engineers are not smart enough to solve some of these problems? I do think a hybrid would be a good transition, however. I probably won't be around to see it but for those of you who are young enough remember my words and think about them 10-20 years from now.

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Aug 5, 2023 10:05:55   #
Triple G
 
JBRIII wrote:
Economics and human reactions work just any other dynamic system, but politically its rarely taken into account at the start. Increasing gas mileage has also created revenue headaches for states. Offer extra lanes for higher occupancy and you get lower taxes and eventually those lanes are a standstill. My friend in Italy said, decades ago now, that they promoted diesel by lower diesel taxes until everybody changed, no tax income, so they taxed diesel. As someone said here, there's no free lunch. Texas has no income tax, but property taxes are horrible. West VA keeps lower taxes, but ranks near last or last in categories like health, roads, etc. Counties want jobs, but also want to limit housing, because that means more schools, which costs more than the tax gains from the jobs, but then of course traffic must increase, can't teleport to the job. China wants people to move to those new, empty cities, but does not give permits for their children to go to school there! Even a dictatorship can try to defy economic realities for so long, you can order the impossible, but that doesn't mean you can get it.
Economics and human reactions work just any other ... (show quote)


TN is seeing that population boon. No one knows for sure what came first jobs or people, but we're getting more of both and the housing, roads, schools, medical offices and city services are scrambling to keep up. Once low property taxes are increasing exponentially with one county doubling theirs. The cost of growth?

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Aug 5, 2023 10:07:15   #
Triple G
 
Toby wrote:
Wow what a lot of pessimists! Ford has admitted that the move to EV's is slower than they anticipated, and they are lowering prices and reducing production but no word that they are running away from them.
Do you really think that you are smarter than these multibillion-dollar companies that have invested in the EV future haven't done any research???? or that our scientists and engineers are not smart enough to solve some of these problems? I do think a hybrid would be a good transition, however. I probably won't be around to see it but for those of you who are young enough remember my words and think about them 10-20 years from now.
Wow what a lot of pessimists! Ford has admitted th... (show quote)


Huge investments in EV production occurring everywhere.

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