Climate Change is...
BboH
Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
Linda From Maine wrote:
Thanks. Still, the question remains as to availability of alternatives. Those with power and money don't have much incentive to change.
Linda, not to denigrate anything you say, but you seem to me to be a very good example of my contention about ego and power...
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
cliff Hilbert wrote:
Wow Linda, we're so glad to have such an educated person like yourself on here.
Only a minor level of education is needed to understand that the changes in climate are on top of the natural changes. One has to be really dismissive of the facts to not know how hot things have been this year.
rehess wrote:
Only a minor level of education is needed to understand that the changes in climate are on top of the natural changes. One has to be really dismissive of the facts to not know how hot things have been this year.
It's not as hot in Texas this year as it was in 1979 when the temp reached 113 and it was over 100 for 33 straight days. Yes, it's hot this year, but two years ago the all time record low temp was -2 in Dallas. That's right, the record low temp in Dallas history. Now, should we conclude from those examples that we have up and down climate changes on a yearly basis?
Some people need to feel fear about something, it makes their lives worthwhile and gives them a reason for living. Today's fear is climate change. But the disasters they are afraid of are not happening and won't happen.
DennyT
Loc: Central Missouri woods
The real danger is not the air temperature but rather the ocean temperature.
“””Heat absorbed by the ocean is moved from one place to another, but it doesn’t disappear. The heat energy eventually re-enters the rest of the Earth system by melting ice shelves, evaporating water, or directly reheating the atmosphere. Thus, heat energy in the ocean can warm the planet for decades after it was absorbed. If the ocean absorbs more heat than it releases, its heat content increases. Knowing how much heat energy the ocean absorbs and releases is essential for understanding and modeling global climate.
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In the present, warming of ocean water is raising global sea level because water expands when it warms. Combined with water from melting glaciers on land, the rising sea threatens natural ecosystems and human structures near coastlines around the world. Warming ocean waters are also implicated in the thinning of ice shelves and sea ice, both of which have further consequences for Earth’s climate system. Finally, warming ocean waters threaten marine ecosystems and human livelihoods. For example, warm waters jeopardize the health of corals, and in turn, the communities of marine life that depend upon them for shelter and food. Ultimately, people who depend upon marine fisheries for food and jobs may face negative impacts from the warming ocean.
“”” ( from 3 years ago)
http://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-ocean-heat-contentAnd now
“””Florida ocean temperatures surpass 100 degrees Fahrenheit, potentially a world record
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Bath water is typically 100-102
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-ocean-temperature-world-record-heat-100-degrees-fahrenheit-manatee-bay/“”””
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
cliff Hilbert wrote:
It's not as hot in Texas this year as it was in 1979 when the temp reached 113 and it was over 100 for 33 straight days. Yes, it's hot this year, but two years ago the all time record low temp was -2 in Dallas. That's right, the record low temp in Dallas history. Now, should we conclude from those examples that we have up and down climate changes on a yearly basis?
Some people need to feel fear about something, it makes their lives worthwhile and gives them a reason for living. Today's fear is climate change. But the disasters they are afraid of are not happening and won't happen.
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I don’t know exactly how Texas weather has been this year, but those who do have the records say last year was the hottest year in human history, and I believe them. You can believe whatever you want to believe.
Back when I was a Grad Student - in the mid-1970’s - the experts warned that rising CO2 levels would lead to rising temperatures, and I haven’t seen anything to cast doubt on that.
DennyT
Loc: Central Missouri woods
cliff Hilbert wrote:
It's not as hot in Texas this year as it was in 1979 when the temp reached 113 and it was over 100 for 33 straight days. Yes, it's hot this year, but two years ago the all time record low temp was -2 in Dallas. That's right, the record low temp in Dallas history. Now, should we conclude from those examples that we have up and down climate changes on a yearly basis?
Some people need to feel fear about something, it makes their lives worthwhile and gives them a reason for living. Today's fear is climate change. But the disasters they are afraid of are not happening and won't happen.
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Those drastic swings are proof of climate “ CHANGE “..
Built most don’t care cause they be dead and buried before the real problems. Of course their head is already below the surfaces
Linda From Maine wrote:
Power and money is still with the oil companies, and will be for decades to come. If we're both still alive in 25 years, let's discuss whether willful ignorance of scientific facts* worked out happily for Mother Earth and her remaining inhabitants.
*hint: the global effects of rising temperatures are so much more complicated than you suggest.
Any comparison to the Ice Age is ridiculous, given the impact of 8 billion people, their food and water and shelter needs, their automobiles, toys and all the rest. Educate yourself!
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Too bad that the science is far too often determined by funding.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
Blurryeyed wrote:
Too bad that the science is far too often determined by funding.
Reported science - most research never makes it to the headlines. I had an internship at “LRL” fifty years ago; only recently has their work on peaceful uses of nuclear fusion been reported on.
DennyT wrote:
Those drastic swings are proof of climate “ CHANGE “..
Built most don’t care cause they be dead and buried before the real problems. Of course their head is already below the surfaces
That’s correct, YOU can believe anything you want to believe. I believe differently than you do with just as much science to prove my side. Who’s right and who’s wrong? Only time will tell.
I joined this site to learn about camera, not this crap. So, I’m going to focus on cameras and not get involved in these arguments.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
cliff Hilbert wrote:
That’s correct, YOU can believe anything you want to believe. I believe differently than you do with just as much science to prove my side. Who’s right and who’s wrong? Only time will tell.
But there is a matter of
truth. Science says nothing on your side. Truth is not a debating society or a democracy, where majority vote rules. In 1944, I doubt if the average citizen {like you} would have had any hope that Oppenheimer’s work would have succeeded. Congress was never asked to approve the ‘Manhattan Project’, and {fortunately} they never heard of it. Climate is kind of a statistical average;
science predicts that as the CO2 level increases, average temperature
and standard deviation {variability} will both increase. That is truth, regardless of whether you all believe it or not.
It's literally like some people don't understand environmental science is a discipline that takes years of study and mountains of research to come to conclusions. It's not looking at a thermometer on your porch an saying it isn't any hotter than last year.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
rehess wrote:
But there is a matter of truth. Science says nothing on your side. Truth is not a debating society or a democracy, where majority vote rules. In 1944, I doubt if the average citizen {like you} would have had any hope that Oppenheimer’s work would have succeeded. Congress was never asked to approve the ‘Manhattan Project’, and {fortunately} they never heard of it. Climate is kind of a statistical average; science predicts that as the CO2 level increases, average temperature and standard deviation {variability} will both increase. That is truth, regardless of whether you all believe it or not.
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As I have already mentioned, as a Grad Student I had an internship at “LRL”, a lab which was created so Oppenheimer and Teller could have separate ‘play grounds’ - we had a lecture series by Teller. He was one of the {young at the time} physicists who called on Einstein asking him to talk to Roosevelt and convince him that the A-bomb was possible, and the Nazis could get there before we did. Neither was obvious to the average person. Later he headed the H-bomb project which followed the A-bomb project. He talked about doing ‘back of envelop calculations’ and convincing himself that it wouldn’t set off the atmosphere {which wouldn’t be obvious to the average physicist}.
cliff Hilbert wrote:
For many years climate change activists have been screaming fear tactics that the world is going to end in the next 10 years if we don't change this or that. But, the world still exists and hasn't gone down the tubes. I think that according to AOC the world was supposed to end two years ago, but we're still here just like we will be in 20-25 years.
In Dallas in the summer of 1979 the temp was 113 degrees on day. The local weatherman on tv cooked an egg on the sidewalk that day. We even had a record 33 straight days above 100 degrees. FORTY FOUR YEARS LATER NONE of those records have been broken. The record that has been broken is the LOW TEMPERATURE - it was -2 degrees two years ago in Dallas, caused by global warming no doubt.
Does anyone remember the dust bowl days from many years ago? The climate has only improved since then, otherwise this nation would have ceased to exist. Can you change the course of the environment? No. What has caused the climate changes over the centuries? What caused the Ice Age? What caused the loss of the ice age? Why did the dinosaurs die? Could you have saved them if you lived back then?
All you climate fear activists are doing is causing the costs of energy and everything that is run by energy to accelerate. The poor, whom you claim to care about, can't afford the new electric vehicles. They can hardly afford the costs of energy to heat and cool their living quarters, costs which have accelerated in the past 2 1/2 years.
What you can't do is change the course of the environment no matter what you do. All you do is cause fear among the gullible and foolish.
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Come on now, you know the Climate cultist tactic to explain the record freezing temps. Record freezing temps is JUST weather while record heat temps is evidence of global warming/climate changie thingy. They like to have it both way to explain away their failed ideology. Remember when they called it global warming, then that term failed so they switched to "climate change" because they know you can't argue with that term.
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