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Is it better quality-wise to shoot JPEG in B&W, or convert color JPEG to B&W in post prod.?
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Jul 24, 2023 10:49:48   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
kymarto wrote:
....you can specify the lightness or darkness of different hues....



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Jul 24, 2023 11:50:46   #
srg
 
Longshadow wrote:
I always shoot color and convert. That way I have both.
I'd hate to do a shot in B&W only, that I can't go back to do again in color if I decide I want the color version.


If you are a Fad Follower (as many here are) then jump on the B&W bandwagon.
While your at it, why not also add some nice face tattoos.
Don't forget to buy a brand new expensive pair of ripped jeans.
To really clinch it, bury your face in your cellphone and never look up, especially while crossing the street.

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Jul 24, 2023 11:56:33   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
srg wrote:
If you are a Fad Follower (as many here are) then jump on the B&W bandwagon.
While your at it, why not also add some nice face tattoos.
Don't forget to buy a brand new expensive pair of ripped jeans.
To really clinch it, bury your face in your cellphone and never look up, especially while crossing the street.



Definitely not a fad follower.....

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Jul 24, 2023 12:01:44   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
What little I process to B&W I shoot in Jpeg and convert.
I do like the variations on B&W I can get in post.

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Jul 24, 2023 12:01:54   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
What little I process to B&W I shoot in Jpeg and convert.
I do like the variations on B&W I can get in post.

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Jul 24, 2023 12:05:29   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Longshadow wrote:
I always shoot color and convert. That way I have both.
I'd hate to do a shot in B&W only, that I can't go back to do again in color if I decide I want the color version.


That seems to be the conventional wisdom. They say you have more to work with when you shoot in color.

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Jul 24, 2023 12:42:54   #
MJPerini
 
A has been pointed out, it is important to know if you are a JPEG shooter or a RAW shooter. Because except for dedicated monochrome cameras which offer Monochrome RAW, all pictures begin as color RAW data in the camera.
So the choice is let the camera convert to B&W JPEG, or You convert in post.
Some cameras offer B&W Jpegs that look great. If you have oe of those and are happy, that's fine.
But as it has also been pointed out you lose the color. You cannot reconstitute color from a B&W JPEG File.
That may or may not matter to you.
Converting yourself gives you the most control, it is up to you to decide if you want or need that control.
There are many ways to convert a color file to B&W, in my view one look does not work for every B&W picture.
While many cameras offer a choice of B&W JPEG 'looks' you can't go back and change them, they are 'Baked in" to the saved JPEG
Again, this may or may not matter to you, If you have a look you like for your pictures, and never have second thoughts about a color version, JPEG in camera is sick and easy.
Good luck

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Jul 24, 2023 12:57:12   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Chris63 wrote:
Sony A 7II.
I tried both and the photos seem to look identical.

Thanks


This is very much a "save as raw, process later community." My answer differs. I have maybe two or three times seen an image that was conceived and shot in color, then desaturated, that was worth a prolonged or second look. The things that make a good black and white image are not the same things that make a good color image. Now of course, if you just need a quick image to add to a b&w newsletter or instruction sheet, that's a different story, but if you are wanting to create an artistic B&W photograph, it really needs to be created that way, exposed that way, and saved that way. And you need to be able to either preview it (if you have that capability) or review it as a B&W image. The only way I know to do that is to capture and save it as B&W. If you just must have a color version, then save a raw version alongside your b&w JPEG. If these JPEGs are properly exposed, and if they are saved as Fine (or Fine*)/Large files, there will be plenty to adjust later. Again, if you find this offensive, then save a raw version. But having that B&W JPEG is still invaluable if you are really thinking and working in black & white.

This is how I do it. Now...I am not you, and you are not me. I'll most likely never know what you decide to do. It will not matter to me, and it will not hurt my feelings. (Check out my signature line below.) But I do think that you deserve to see more than just a single answer to your question.

By the way, back when I was taking classes and doing darkroom work, we would never have printed b&w from color negatives. It just wouldn't have worked. The variable contrast paper we used was blind to almost half the colors in the negative film. That's why we could have relatively bright safelights in the printing room. And that paper required us to use filters in the enlarger on a Yellow<==>Pink/Rose scale to control the contrast i our prints. (It actually would have worked, just with incredibly weird results. And only white skies.)

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Jul 24, 2023 13:03:19   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Chris63 wrote:
Sony A 7II.
I tried both and the photos seem to look identical.

Thanks


It is always to start with a RAW file. You have much better control over the final result. RAW files always contain color information. You can, for instance, try different color filters in Post. I only use jpeg for utilitarian photos. You can always shoot shoot Raw + jpeg.

My Olympus PenF can be used simulate Orthochromatic film by applying a cyan filter (removes or reduces the red channel) If I shoot RAW + jpeg I can view the result in the viewfinder and the jpeg and still have the RAW file to make final adjustments. It is easiest to use OM workspace to start in my case. BTW few cameras have the ability to apply a Cyan filter in camera.

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Jul 24, 2023 13:08:06   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
larryepage wrote:
This is very much a "save as raw, process later community." My answer differs. I have maybe two or three times seen an image that was conceived and shot in color, then desaturated, that was worth a prolonged or second look. The things that make a good black and white image are not the same things that make a good color image. Now of course, if you just need a quick image to add to a b&w newsletter or instruction sheet, that's a different story, but if you are wanting to create an artistic B&W photograph, it really needs to be created that way, exposed that way, and saved that way. And you need to be able to either preview it (if you have that capability) or review it as a B&W image. The only way I know to do that is to capture and save it as B&W. If you just must have a color version, then save a raw version alongside your raw version. If these JPEGs are properly exposed, and if they are saved as Fine (or Fine*)/Large files, there will be plenty to adjust later. Again, if you find this offensive, then save a raw version. But having that B&W JPEG is still invaluable if you are really thinking and working in black & white.

This is how I do it. Now...I am not you, and you are not me. I'll most likely never know what you decide to do. It will not matter to me, and it will not hurt my feelings. (Check out my signature line below.) But I do think that you deserve to see more than just a single answer to your question.

By the way, back when I was taking classes and doing darkroom work, we would never have printed b&w from color negatives. It just wouldn't have worked. The variable contrast paper we used was blind to almost half the colors in the negative film. That's why we could have relatively bright safelights in the printing room. And that paper required us to use filters in the enlarger on a Yellow<==>Pink/Rose scale to control the contrast i our prints. (It actually would have worked, just with incredibly weird results. And only white skies.)
This is very much a "save as raw, process lat... (show quote)


There was a paper back in the day that was made to print B&W from color negs. I believe it had to be printed in total darkness. It looks like it isn't made any more. I had a B&W lab, and sometimes got requests for B&W prints from color negs. The quality wasn't the greatest as there was no control for contrast, but it was the only way.

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Jul 24, 2023 13:14:47   #
jack schade Loc: La Pine Oregon
 
I shoot in Raw + JPEG then the raw is always in color.

jack

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Jul 24, 2023 14:18:35   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Chris63 wrote:
Sony A 7II.
I tried both and the photos seem to look identical.

Thanks

As far a JPG vs In-Camera goes they are probably close to identical.

I do, however, prefer to shoot RAW and convert in postprocessing; just gives more options.

bwa

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Jul 24, 2023 14:37:52   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jerryc41 wrote:
That seems to be the conventional wisdom. They say you have more to work with when you shoot in color.

It's a lot easier to go from color to B&W than it is from B&W to color.

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Jul 24, 2023 14:40:49   #
Urnst Loc: Brownsville, Texas
 
larryepage wrote:
This is very much a "save as raw, process later community." My answer differs. I have maybe two or three times seen an image that was conceived and shot in color, then desaturated, that was worth a prolonged or second look. The things that make a good black and white image are not the same things that make a good color image. Now of course, if you just need a quick image to add to a b&w newsletter or instruction sheet, that's a different story, but if you are wanting to create an artistic B&W photograph, it really needs to be created that way, exposed that way, and saved that way. And you need to be able to either preview it (if you have that capability) or review it as a B&W image. The only way I know to do that is to capture and save it as B&W. If you just must have a color version, then save a raw version alongside your b&w JPEG. If these JPEGs are properly exposed, and if they are saved as Fine (or Fine*)/Large files, there will be plenty to adjust later. Again, if you find this offensive, then save a raw version. But having that B&W JPEG is still invaluable if you are really thinking and working in black & white.

This is how I do it. Now...I am not you, and you are not me. I'll most likely never know what you decide to do. It will not matter to me, and it will not hurt my feelings. (Check out my signature line below.) But I do think that you deserve to see more than just a single answer to your question.

By the way, back when I was taking classes and doing darkroom work, we would never have printed b&w from color negatives. It just wouldn't have worked. The variable contrast paper we used was blind to almost half the colors in the negative film. That's why we could have relatively bright safelights in the printing room. And that paper required us to use filters in the enlarger on a Yellow<==>Pink/Rose scale to control the contrast i our prints. (It actually would have worked, just with incredibly weird results. And only white skies.)
This is very much a "save as raw, process lat... (show quote)



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Jul 24, 2023 14:42:14   #
Urnst Loc: Brownsville, Texas
 
fetzler wrote:
It is always to start with a RAW file. You have much better control over the final result. RAW files always contain color information. You can, for instance, try different color filters in Post. I only use jpeg for utilitarian photos. You can always shoot shoot Raw + jpeg.

My Olympus PenF can be used simulate Orthochromatic film by applying a cyan filter (removes or reduces the red channel) If I shoot RAW + jpeg I can view the result in the viewfinder and the jpeg and still have the RAW file to make final adjustments. It is easiest to use OM workspace to start in my case. BTW few cameras have the ability to apply a Cyan filter in camera.
It is always to start with a RAW file. You have mu... (show quote)



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