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Dec 11, 2012 18:16:03   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
bull drink water wrote:
other than isreal and oil we don't have reason to be in the middle east.they are not really good reasons. oh what hapened too all the cheap or free oil we were supposed to get from iraq?


The USA is leading the world in oil exporting.

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Dec 12, 2012 00:11:30   #
SHUTERED Loc: SO. CAL.
 
thewags wrote:
You can destroy it, or steer clear. Destroying is a huge commitment, but the long term benefit is obvious. Steering clear has short term benefits, but results in an expansion of the nest, even creating new nests, and the number of stings just keeps growing.

As Bush turned over the presidency to Obama, our strategy in the mideast changed from destroying to steering clear. Combat troops were withdrawn from Iraq, and many Americans agreed with this change. Now we are starting to see the result - the Benghazi attack, a revolution in Syria (with potential use of chemical weapons which the democrats say don't exist), a near-revolution in Egypt, and Iran moving toward nuclear weapons.

The administration's response? Benghazi swept under the rug. As for Syria, at an Aug. 20 news conference, Obama said “A red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around..." He warned of consequences. But now after reports that chemicals have been moved around, and mixed for use as weapons, Obama’s “red line” appears to have shifted. Now there will be consequences only after the fact, if such chemicals are "used" and thousands lie dead.

These troublemakers in the Mideast understand that America is no longer a serious threat to their activities, that America is now "steering clear". Some of you may think that's ok, but we WILL have to deal with the consequences.
You can destroy it, or steer clear. Destroying is ... (show quote)


I tottaly agree. To me a problem exists WHEN THE PRES. the C.I.C. of our troops, who with no military background, announces to an enemy what our withdrawel date is. I feel for the last of the troops who will be there. Obama might just as well of said "hit me now" (the troops).

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Dec 12, 2012 08:52:32   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
other than isreal and oil we don't have reason to be in the middle east.they are not really good reasons. oh what hapened too all the cheap or free oil we were supposed to get from iraq?


The USA is leading the world in oil exporting.


if we sell so much oil, then wwhy does gasoline cost between 3 and 4 dollars a gallon?

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Dec 12, 2012 09:01:38   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
jolly1 wrote:
geophoto wrote:
I hope they use the chemical weapons on the real troublemakers in the middle east. The lying, land stealing, two faced uber nazi Israelis. Viva la revolution!!



geophoto, the Jews didn't steal any land. They took their homeland back after several thousand years. What they took back belonged to them. . . . . .


BULLSHIT> when you are off the land for several thouand years,it aint your homeland anymore.it's more of that bible bullshit again. they didn't go in and take it back.the UN inserted them in and moved the palistinians out by force. the U.S. has been standing behind them with a big stick for 65 yrs. hell, we give them weapons we wouldn't give our allies.while you are at it, where has the country of palistine been since 1948? refugee camps do not count as a country.

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Dec 12, 2012 09:11:06   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
SHUTERED wrote:
thewags wrote:
You can destroy it, or steer clear. Destroying is a huge commitment, but the long term benefit is obvious. Steering clear has short term benefits, but results in an expansion of the nest, even creating new nests, and the number of stings just keeps growing.

As Bush turned over the presidency to Obama, our strategy in the mideast changed from destroying to steering clear. Combat troops were withdrawn from Iraq, and many Americans agreed with this change. Now we are starting to see the result - the Benghazi attack, a revolution in Syria (with potential use of chemical weapons which the democrats say don't exist), a near-revolution in Egypt, and Iran moving toward nuclear weapons.

The administration's response? Benghazi swept under the rug. As for Syria, at an Aug. 20 news conference, Obama said “A red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around..." He warned of consequences. But now after reports that chemicals have been moved around, and mixed for use as weapons, Obama’s “red line” appears to have shifted. Now there will be consequences only after the fact, if such chemicals are "used" and thousands lie dead.

These troublemakers in the Mideast understand that America is no longer a serious threat to their activities, that America is now "steering clear". Some of you may think that's ok, but we WILL have to deal with the consequences.
You can destroy it, or steer clear. Destroying is ... (show quote)


I tottaly agree. To me a problem exists WHEN THE PRES. the C.I.C. of our troops, who with no military background, announces to an enemy what our withdrawel date is. I feel for the last of the troops who will be there. Obama might just as well of said "hit me now" (the troops).
quote=thewags You can destroy it, or steer clear.... (show quote)


there's no way to get all the troops out without the enemy knowing anyway. but we should have been out 3yrs and 10 mo ago. the afghans don't need us to train their army.

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Dec 12, 2012 09:32:08   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
bull drink water wrote:
BULLSHIT> when you are off the land for several thouand years,it aint your homeland anymore.it's more of that bible bullshit again. they didn't go in and take it back.the UN inserted them in and moved the palistinians out by force. the U.S. has been standing behind them with a big stick for 65 yrs. hell, we give them weapons we wouldn't give our allies.while you are at it, where has the country of palistine been since 1948? refugee camps do not count as a country.

There was no "country of palistine," there was a Palestinian Mandate run by the Brits. Before that, the area was occupied by the Turks. Try reading some history.

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Dec 12, 2012 10:58:44   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
bull drink water wrote:
UP-2-IT wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
other than isreal and oil we don't have reason to be in the middle east.they are not really good reasons. oh what hapened too all the cheap or free oil we were supposed to get from iraq?


The USA is leading the world in oil exporting.


if we sell so much oil, then wwhy does gasoline cost between 3 and 4 dollars a gallon?


Watch the price next few weeks!

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Dec 12, 2012 11:04:28   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Palestine has never been a country...

bull drink water wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
geophoto wrote:
I hope they use the chemical weapons on the real troublemakers in the middle east. The lying, land stealing, two faced uber nazi Israelis. Viva la revolution!!



geophoto, the Jews didn't steal any land. They took their homeland back after several thousand years. What they took back belonged to them. . . . . .


BULLSHIT> when you are off the land for several thouand years,it aint your homeland anymore.it's more of that bible bullshit again. they didn't go in and take it back.the UN inserted them in and moved the palistinians out by force. the U.S. has been standing behind them with a big stick for 65 yrs. hell, we give them weapons we wouldn't give our allies.while you are at it, where has the country of palistine been since 1948? refugee camps do not count as a country.
quote=jolly1 quote=geophoto I hope they use the ... (show quote)

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Dec 12, 2012 17:26:53   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
RMM wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
BULLSHIT> when you are off the land for several thouand years,it aint your homeland anymore.it's more of that bible bullshit again. they didn't go in and take it back.the UN inserted them in and moved the palistinians out by force. the U.S. has been standing behind them with a big stick for 65 yrs. hell, we give them weapons we wouldn't give our allies.while you are at it, where has the country of palistine been since 1948? refugee camps do not count as a country.

There was no "country of palistine," there was a Palestinian Mandate run by the Brits. Before that, the area was occupied by the Turks. Try reading some history.
quote=bull drink water BULLSHIT> when you are... (show quote)


so let's see, we have the turks,then the brits but in and set up a mandate,then here come more jews. so where do the palistinians fit in?

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Dec 12, 2012 17:29:43   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
If the other Arab countries are so sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, why do they keep the refugees in what are basically "concentration" camps in their countries?

bull drink water wrote:
RMM wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
BULLSHIT> when you are off the land for several thouand years,it aint your homeland anymore.it's more of that bible bullshit again. they didn't go in and take it back.the UN inserted them in and moved the palistinians out by force. the U.S. has been standing behind them with a big stick for 65 yrs. hell, we give them weapons we wouldn't give our allies.while you are at it, where has the country of palistine been since 1948? refugee camps do not count as a country.

There was no "country of palistine," there was a Palestinian Mandate run by the Brits. Before that, the area was occupied by the Turks. Try reading some history.
quote=bull drink water BULLSHIT> when you are... (show quote)


so let's see, we have the turks,then the brits but in and set up a mandate,then here come more jews. so where do the palistinians fit in?
quote=RMM quote=bull drink water BULLSHIT> w... (show quote)

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Dec 12, 2012 20:29:15   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
bull drink water wrote:
RMM wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
BULLSHIT> when you are off the land for several thouand years,it aint your homeland anymore.it's more of that bible bullshit again. they didn't go in and take it back.the UN inserted them in and moved the palistinians out by force. the U.S. has been standing behind them with a big stick for 65 yrs. hell, we give them weapons we wouldn't give our allies.while you are at it, where has the country of palistine been since 1948? refugee camps do not count as a country.

There was no "country of palistine," there was a Palestinian Mandate run by the Brits. Before that, the area was occupied by the Turks. Try reading some history.
quote=bull drink water BULLSHIT> when you are... (show quote)


so let's see, we have the turks,then the brits but in and set up a mandate,then here come more jews. so where do the palistinians fit in?
quote=RMM quote=bull drink water BULLSHIT> w... (show quote)


Then Palestinians don't fit in. The Jews never did leave. Israel was not always called Israel and the Jews were not always known as Jews. Not all Jews went to Egypt, not all Jews were disperses through out the Nations. The Jews have always lived in Israel.

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Dec 12, 2012 22:33:30   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
This forum is an open forum....Meaning anything can be discussed. If you don't like it, stay the fuck off of it.

English_Wolf wrote:
Here we go again, another thread that ultimately only shows how uneducated Americans are in world history and geography (as well as economy).

You should stick to photography and leave the world alone since your answer to everything is: let's kill the bastards! Then again, if you are only good at sticking to weird opinion, photography takes the back burner.

This begs a question: Why the fuck are you discussing world events in a photography board when there are dedicated political board? Is it because your thought process is so weak that it cannot be supported by anything concrete???
Here we go again, another thread that ultimately o... (show quote)

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Dec 12, 2012 23:01:34   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
English_Wolf wrote:
Here we go again, another thread that ultimately only shows how uneducated Americans are in world history and geography (as well as economy).

You should stick to photography and leave the world alone since your answer to everything is: let's kill the bastards! Then again, if you are only good at sticking to weird opinion, photography takes the back burner.

This begs a question: Why the fuck are you discussing world events in a photography board when there are dedicated political board? Is it because your thought process is so weak that it cannot be supported by anything concrete???
Here we go again, another thread that ultimately o... (show quote)


If you don't like what is being discussed here then take your camera and go some place else, jerk! Nobody ask for your weird opinion. Is your thought process is so weak that you cannot be discuss anything other than photography.

BTW, you are holding your camera wrong.

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Dec 12, 2012 23:55:31   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
LMAO at the 'right way' to hold a camera but at least you are talking photo.

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Dec 13, 2012 10:00:04   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
bull drink water wrote:
........when you are off the land for several thouand years,it aint your homeland anymore.


Does this apply to Native Americans also, and what is the amount of time needed so it "aint your homeland?" Does it have to be several thousand, several hundred or over twenty years? 8-)

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