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May 28, 2023 23:03:29   #
zarathu Loc: Bar Harbor, MDI, Maine
 
I gave up Lr years ago and switched to Affinity Photo. I am 74, as of last Tuesday.

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May 28, 2023 23:50:11   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
ckescher wrote:
Hi Tom, I read your comments and can only think I could have written the same thing. I also have a D500 and I have paired it with 3 lenses. Rokinon 14 mm, Nikon 16-80 and Tamron 100-400. I am headed to Norway to photograph the Northern Lights. I also don’t know how to post process. I shoot in Raw and JPEG. There are some really good suggestions here from some experienced photographers. I don’t even know what some of their abbreviations mean! I just know taking photographs makes me happy. I am continuing to practice low light photography and how to change my settings quickly in low light. The camera itself is a complicated piece of equipment. I keep reminding myself to just breathe. Practice until it feels like muscle memory. Don’t sweat learning PP now, concentrate on what you are doing! Which is some lovely work. You will have lots of time when you return.
Hi Tom, I read your comments and can only think I ... (show quote)


Quick facts:

Light meters are calibrated to normal = a scene that reflects 12% to 18% of the light falling on it.

Automatic White Balance wants to see perfect neutral gray. If you point the camera at red, it will reduce red in the output. If you point it at green, it will shift away towards magenta. If you point it at blue, it will reduce blue or increase yellow... Learn the color wheel and you'll avoid auto white balance.

Meter a photographic gray card to get accurate exposures and set custom/manual/preset white balance for accurate color.

Every feature on the camera is useful to someone for something. Try 'em all with camera manual in hand, and you'll appreciate the genius behind the design.

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May 28, 2023 23:58:52   #
jcboy3
 
Sunsetpar wrote:
Hi friends. I enjoy my daily dose of Ugly Hedgehog, and value the expertise, opinions, and humor I find here. I have a dilemma, and would appreciate your thoughts. Bottom line...am I too old (age 70) to learn, use, and benefit from Lightroom? Put another way, should I shoot RAW + JPEG or just JPEG on my upcoming (mid-August 2023) trip to Brazil to shoot wildlife? A little background-- following a less than stellar photography performance on a trip to Costa Rica this past February, I vowed to improve my skills, and equipment, in an attempt to better deal with low-light (and other light challenges) photography in the wild. To this end, I acquired a Nikon D500 and a 500mm prime lens (the cheap one!) and have been practicing every day to shoot in manual mode, especially in low light. I feel that I am making progress, so I started looking ahead to my trip to Brazil, and the nuts and bolts of shooting and processing the photos I anticipate taking. As I sit here this morning, I am overwhelmed at the prospect of learning Lightroom (or some other PP program) prior to my trip, and am starting to question whether I should even try. After several hours of research (including in the post-processing forum) my mind is boggled. Heck, I am not even sure if I should try to use the Classic version or the cloud version. Right now my gut feeling is that JPEG images are more than sufficient for my needs (I have a website/blog that I created and maintain for my grandchildren and other friends who are interested in archaeology and birds), and I should devote my time to just taking the best JPEG images that I can at point of capture. I feel that I still have most of my wits about me, but I find myself doubting that I have sufficient gray matter to shoot and process RAW. What do you think this old man should do? (PS- attached is a "practice" photo I took a few days ago at a local park on a cloudy day)
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When you shoot JPG, you are basically choosing the amount of saturation, contrast, sharpening, and white balance you want before you take the picture. Along with settings for shutter speed, aperture, and ISO. Add in composition and focus. That's a lot to worry about before pressing the shutter.

RAW provides a lot more latitude, and so you have greater ability to adjust the settings after getting the shot. You can always let the program choose those settings when post processing, but you can take your best shots and fine tune them to achieve the best results.

I used to shoot RAW+JPG when I got my first cameras that could output RAW, but that really makes file management more difficult than it needs to be. So I stopped shooting JPG in most circumstances. Now, I usually only shoot JPG when I need to make a quick but temporary delivery to a client, and then follow up with processed RAW files later. It takes very little effort to do basic RAW processing. But the world of possibilities is quite large, and the flexibility of the RAW files in post processing is well worth it.

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May 29, 2023 00:38:02   #
gwilliams6
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yeah, I wanna be shot dead by a jealous husband at the age of 109...


lol

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May 29, 2023 01:59:55   #
stan0301 Loc: Colorado
 
If you feel some software written by who knows whom can do a better job than you can - so be it

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May 29, 2023 08:12:42   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Yea, BURKPHOTO

I got an other 10, because the good die young.

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May 29, 2023 08:45:34   #
yvesfeder Loc: Bath, ME
 
Now listen you young whippersnapper!!!!! :) :)

I'm 85 and having a marvelous time learning LR. I'm sure I don't learn as fast as I did when I was only 75, but I've been exploring the wonders of that sophisticated software and am beyond delighted at how much there is to learn (I do not believe in stopping that process...........)

I hope you have a marvelous and exciting time learning to do all the miraculous processes within that incredible software suite.

Yours,
Yves ( from 35mm to mirrorless since 1952 or so........ and I still have lots of older cameras and love'em as well :)

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May 29, 2023 08:46:16   #
Juy Loc: Delaware
 
your not to old to learn. You will fumble a little but you will grasp the process and stimulate those brain cells. It will be good on all aspects. You will improve your photos, your understanding, and I'll bet if you go raw and learn the editing you will not go back. That's not to say you won't use jpeg but you will start to use it less. Going raw and learning the post processing you will improve your images and your vision of art. You will see at first that the raw image looks flat but with just a little lightroom work they will pop. and as you grow they will totally transform. Go for it your brain will thank you. I'm 69

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May 29, 2023 08:54:34   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Sunsetpar wrote:
Hi friends. I enjoy my daily dose of Ugly Hedgehog, and value the expertise, opinions, and humor I find here. I have a dilemma, and would appreciate your thoughts. Bottom line...am I too old (age 70) to learn, use, and benefit from Lightroom? Put another way, should I shoot RAW + JPEG or just JPEG on my upcoming (mid-August 2023) trip to Brazil to shoot wildlife? A little background-- following a less than stellar photography performance on a trip to Costa Rica this past February, I vowed to improve my skills, and equipment, in an attempt to better deal with low-light (and other light challenges) photography in the wild. To this end, I acquired a Nikon D500 and a 500mm prime lens (the cheap one!) and have been practicing every day to shoot in manual mode, especially in low light. I feel that I am making progress, so I started looking ahead to my trip to Brazil, and the nuts and bolts of shooting and processing the photos I anticipate taking. As I sit here this morning, I am overwhelmed at the prospect of learning Lightroom (or some other PP program) prior to my trip, and am starting to question whether I should even try. After several hours of research (including in the post-processing forum) my mind is boggled. Heck, I am not even sure if I should try to use the Classic version or the cloud version. Right now my gut feeling is that JPEG images are more than sufficient for my needs (I have a website/blog that I created and maintain for my grandchildren and other friends who are interested in archaeology and birds), and I should devote my time to just taking the best JPEG images that I can at point of capture. I feel that I still have most of my wits about me, but I find myself doubting that I have sufficient gray matter to shoot and process RAW. What do you think this old man should do? (PS- attached is a "practice" photo I took a few days ago at a local park on a cloudy day)
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I am 80 and I still try and learn daily. I think it keeps the mind refreshed and alert. You're a kid.

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May 29, 2023 09:19:25   #
bsmith52 Loc: Northeast Alabama
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
At this point, skip the software and keep working on your shooting skills, especially your camera set-up. The colors and pose of this image are wonderful. Alas, the soft focus can be traced to your set-up.

Change from AF-S to AF-C and practice tracking subjects with the shutter half-pressed, to continuously engage the AF. Better yet, configure back-button focus (BBF) and use your thumb to hold focus and your index finger to release the shutter, with your thumb actively pressing / holding the assigned BBF.

Next: learn, practice and achieve the finger dexterity to move / position a selected AF point onto the subject's eye, when possible, or at least the face. This image has a centered AF point on the body, not the eye. If 1 AF point to too hard to track the eye of a moving subject, use any of the 'zone' options, such as a 9-AF box or the slightly larger 12-AF box. Get that box over the subject eyes, the camera will do the rest. That 'dexterity' means changing the AF location with the camera held to your eye in a shooting position.

If you're going to be a JPEG shooter, not a post-processor, change from Adobe RGB to sRGB. Otherwise, you have to process every image before sharing, if for nothing more than correcting the colorspace to the online standard.

As a JPEG shooter, customize your Standard picture control. Bump the sharpening to +4.0 or +5.0. Add some saturation, say +0.5 or +1.0. You have clarity at +1.0, consider Contrast at +0.5 to +1.0. Test how these changes impact your images and fine-tune further, if desired.

This result shows you're in the neighborhood of success. Up your game with these setting updates and technique adjustments. Let the camera make you successful and you're justified in skipping the post processing downstream work.

When you become one with your camera, the magic begins.
At this point, skip the software and keep working ... (show quote)


Good counsel CHG. My camera is much less complicated than the myriad of options in LR and Photoshop. And the lure of Lr/Ps led me, at first, to try learning complicated pp instead of learning my camera.

And Ai is no longer on the horizon. It is here, learning, and soon to be integrated into most pp.

Lr and PS are great tools for the professional and those who aspire to use them. For the amateur/hobbyist posting online and saving the memories for family, less complicated options are abundant.

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May 29, 2023 09:24:50   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
bsmith52 wrote:
Good counsel CHG. My camera is much less complicated than the myriad of options in LR and Photoshop.

And Ai is no longer on the horizon. It is here, learning, and soon to be integrated into most pp.

Lr and PS are great tools for the professional and those who aspire to use them. For the amateur/hobbyist posting online and saving the memories for family, less complicated options are abundant.


With advanced equipment comes the need to employ more advanced shooting technique. No amount of software can produce (save) an image to even 'as good' as a sharply focused image from the camera. Therefore, more effort in technique is better than more effort in processing.

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May 29, 2023 10:39:24   #
brentrh Loc: Deltona, FL
 
Never to old as a photographer to use Lightroom. Best option for post processing photographs. Photoshop is a higher level of processing photographs that is complicated requires multiple steps to achieve what you want Lightroom makes it simple doesn't require time and skills.

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May 29, 2023 11:57:17   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
I second the suggestion to shoot raw + jpeg. The jpegs are always there to fall back on and the raws allow you to learn raw processing at your own speed.

You could also get another safety net by asking in the Post Processing section for a set of Lr default basic adjustments that you can apply to all imported raw files. Default basic adjustments are exactly what in-camera jpegs get and it's not difficult to improve on those using PP in your own computer. If you specify Lr you can add things like sharpening and denoise adjustments. You can even get Lr to apply them all automatically to raw files on import. That still leaves you the option of modifying those adjustments and adding some of your own whenever you want.

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May 29, 2023 12:40:46   #
josquin1 Loc: Massachusetts
 
I'm 75 and use the ON-! editing system. I find it quite easy to use and very good. It works really well for my Canon R6 jpg and raw shots.

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May 29, 2023 12:45:24   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
With advanced equipment comes the need to employ more advanced shooting technique. No amount of software can produce (save) an image to even 'as good' as a sharply focused image from the camera. Therefore, more effort in technique is better than more effort in processing.


I kind of agree with you now Paul but in the not too distant future with much advanced processors, algorithms and gigantic databases, coupled with the ability to manipulate pixels at the lowest level, Won't AI be able to compare a poorly focused image and compare it to perfectly focused images in the database and emulate... I am just thinking out of the box a little... This path could easily lead into some form of Holography I would think... what do you think or am I going off the deep end ?

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