I don't. Linn did a one time release. End of story
CHG_CANON wrote:
You can read some of the links in the replies above on this page. You can read some of the information from this page specific to photographic work at the US Copyright office.
https://www.copyright.gov/registration/photographs/If you want the "defend" your copyright of your original work, you need to
register your copyright at the US office / website, for US work and US issues / defenses. Your unregistered work is not eligible for damages of copyright infringement. Adding "copyright" into your watermark or camera EXIF serves to indicate you will 'defend' your copyright to all your original work. But, only proper registration gives you an ability to enforce your copyright and collect damages, if applicable.
Your 'copyright' exists automatically for your original work, regardless of words or icons in the image watermark or EXIF / metadata.
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I had always heard that you could sue for actual damages without registration (which can be hard to prove), but with registration you could get punative damages.
Maybe, just maybe, once and for all we can finally and successfully knock down at least one internet urban legend ...
Steve, John -
A postmarked envelope does not prove that a work is original or created by you. It 'might' show a point in time when the work existed, which 'might' be relevant to showing it existed elsewhere, prior to the date of creation of another's work and / or infringement.
According to section 412 of the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976 (17 U.S.C. 408), registration of a work with the Copyright Office is a prerequisite for copyright protection. A "Poor man's copyright" is therefore not a substitute for registration.
Eric Goldman, law professor, Santa Clara University School of Law, has noted the absence of US cases / judgments that give any value to the poor man's copyright. He also states, "To establish copyright infringement, the author must show copying-in-fact and wrongful copying. The postmark has no relevance to the wrongful copying question."
Moreover, section 411 of the same U.S. Copyright Act of 1976 clarifies that a certificate of registration (or refusal) from the U.S. Copyright Office is a prerequisite to bringing a copyright infringement action in federal court.
Summary: no registration, no ability to file suit.
The photo of concern was published in 2016 with a license from the Andy Warhol Foundation. So, Warhol was not the offender, but his foundation was. --Richard
larryepage wrote:
Readers may want to do some further research into this case before commenting. The original image was licensed to Newsweek, not Vanity Fair. VF did get a license for their subsequent use, but from the estate of Andy Warhol for a silkscreen image from his series of paintings, not the original photograph.
I'm not a copyright expert any more than the rest of us, but the Kagan/Roberts dissent may be more "right" than the majority opinion when viewed in the light of "the real whole story."
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The issue is not black or white. As I understand it, Copyright Law allows for "transformations". That is, an image (photo or painting) can be copied and transformed (pixilated, altered, distorted etc) and Copyright may no longer apply. Apparently Warhol thought his transformation was sufficient to avoid a copyright infringement. The court didn't think so. Another time and another court may think differently.
Time will tell if this will apply in any other case. On the surface it is just a breach of contract and should have never gotten to SCOTUS. I am sure the lawyers made more than the plaintiff. However, if someone sues an AI artist that takes a copyrighted image and modifies for profit this case MIGHT have some use.
CHG_CANON wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, once and for all we can finally and successfully knock down……..
As usual Paul, you sound the bell of reason and sense.
Thank you for clarifying
“The Poorman’s Copyright.” In truth that was a holdover from my days at James Madison High School, Brooklyn, NY.
I am not sure if hoggers have listened to Pachelbel’s Canon in D. Some people have heard the group Maroon 5 sing Memories. Actually Maroon 5 used music from The Canon and wrote lyrics to it. However it is not Copyright Infringement. Pachelbel’s work is now in the Public Domain. They are very clever to avoid a legal challenge.
carlberg wrote:
The issue is not black or white. As I understand it, Copyright Law allows for "transformations". That is, an image (photo or painting) can be copied and transformed (pixilated, altered, distorted etc) and Copyright may no longer apply. Apparently Warhol thought his transformation was sufficient to avoid a copyright infringement. The court didn't think so. Another time and another court may think differently.
According to the lawyers I've talked to, this is not true.
AzPicLady wrote:
According to the lawyers I've talked to, this is not true.
Copyright law was significantly revised in 1976. There have been additional adjustments as technology advances have changed the landscape. It is important to be living in and understanding the present copyright universe to understand the rules. Relying on what one thinks he might have heard that someone read about many years ago is a dangerous approach.
"The use of a copyrighted work may nevertheless be fair if, among other things, the use has a purpose and character that is sufficiently distinct from the original. In this case, however, Goldsmith's original photograph of Prince, and AWF's copying use of that photograph in an image licensed to a special edition magazine devoted to Prince, share substantially the same purpose, and the use is of a commercial nature."[12]
From the case itself, the use of the photograph was not fair use as the photograph as published by AWF was similar, not "sufficiently distinct" from the original photograph. The fair use doctrine allows for commentary or criticism of original work without need for attribution to the creator or author. But here, the original photograph of Ms. Goldsmith dating back from 1981 was readily identifiable. The court also noted no formal licensing agreement or the like, just a $400 fee. That is the lesson, then again how could have Ms. Goldsmith anticipated subsequent use of her photograph years later and the resulting journey to the United States Supreme Court?
But one must ask, what exactly was the fight over from a dollar perspective? That is, what will be the damages? No indication dollarwise what is or was at stake. From the numerous amicus briefs filed, it was the point of law at stake, the extent of the fair use doctrine, not so much dollars. No great lesson for photographers in general other then securing a detailed licensing agreement with the buyer, assuming you are taking a photograph of a famous soon to be deceased celebrity.
russdog99 wrote:
"The use of a copyrighted work may nevertheless be fair if, among other things, the use has a purpose and character that is sufficiently distinct from the original. In this case, however, Goldsmith's original photograph of Prince, and AWF's copying use of that photograph in an image licensed to a special edition magazine devoted to Prince, share substantially the same purpose, and the use is of a commercial nature."[12]
From the case itself, the use of the photograph was not fair use as the photograph as published by AWF was similar, not "sufficiently distinct" from the original photograph. The fair use doctrine allows for commentary or criticism of original work without need for attribution to the creator or author. But here, the original photograph of Ms. Goldsmith dating back from 1981 was readily identifiable. The court also noted no formal licensing agreement or the like, just a $400 fee. That is the lesson, then again how could have Ms. Goldsmith anticipated subsequent use of her photograph years later and the resulting journey to the United States Supreme Court?
But one must ask, what exactly was the fight over from a dollar perspective? That is, what will be the damages? No indication dollarwise what is or was at stake. From the numerous amicus briefs filed, it was the point of law at stake, the extent of the fair use doctrine, not so much dollars. No great lesson for photographers in general other then securing a detailed licensing agreement with the buyer, assuming you are taking a photograph of a famous soon to be deceased celebrity.
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OK, but just *how soon* to be deceased should the soon to be deceased celebrity be ? One foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel ?
larryepage wrote:
Copyright law was significantly revised in 1976. There have been additional adjustments as technology advances have changed the landscape. It is important to be living in and understanding the present copyright universe to understand the rules. Relying on what one thinks he might have heard that someone read about many years ago is a dangerous approach.
I don't remember exactly the year, but I think the 90's. Maybe later.
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