JD750 wrote:
The Short Story as I understand it is as follows.
Lynn Goldsmith took a photo, and sold a single use to Vanity. Vanity published it. Vanity then commissioned Andy Warhol to create a Prince series, using that photo. Later Lynn found out and asked Vanity for copyright fees. Vanity refused, feared a lawsuit and asked a court for a “fair use” ruling which would mean she could not claim damages. Lynn counter sued. Art is tricky stuff for the courts to sort out. Nevertheless this is an important case for all the stakeholders. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of Lynn. Personally I think The Supremes got it right.
Search for Andy Warhol Copyright to find multiple articles on the subject.
Post your thoughts here and let’s try to avoid getting too emotional, ok?
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If she sold Vanity a single use license, that should mean single use, not passing it onto someone else. As you implied, nothing is straightforward about any laws.
The copyrights of photographers is a hotly contested issue. Mostly because painters think they have the right to use someone else's photo for their painting. Long ago we had a lawyer who specialized in intellectual property speak to our art group. He stated that copying via any format is copyright infringement. A painting that takes any portion of someone else's photo must state that it's "a study of. . ." and name the photo and the painter must have written permission from the photographer to use it. That includes photos published in copyrighted books. Painters HATED that. The lawyer went on to say that photographers are under the same rules and any publication or sale of photos of others' artwork (sculpture, paintings, etc.). So as to the question about photographing sculpture, according to that lawyer, it would be fine, just don't sell it or license it. Of course older sculptures might be in the public domain. Even buildings may be copyrighted, so selling a picture of buildings can be questioned.
The lawyer's summary was that taking a photo of or painting anything created by someone else is a slippery slope and should be avoided. His words to painters was "Be original!" This is why I do landscapes. They're invented by God, not man.
That's about the size of it. Even so, I note that consulting a copyright lawyer early on could have avoided a legal contest.
Rongnongno wrote:
The ruling has very limited effect (narrow scope*)on most photographer and does not mean much according to analyst who looked at it.
Tempest in a teapot.
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* The image was sold for a one time use (Vanity Fair)and then was reused for commercial purposes. That was a breach of contract, nothing else.
Architect1776 wrote:
I fully side with the court ruling.
As this can have big implications on fake AI photos that use another person's work.
AI has nothing to do with it. Its actually a communist plot disguised as socialism. Note the absence of initial caps, meaning "No Politix involved".
AzPicLady wrote:
The copyrights of photographers is a hotly contested issue. Mostly because painters think they have the right to use someone else's photo for their painting. Long ago we had a lawyer who specialized in intellectual property speak to our art group. He stated that copying via any format is copyright infringement. A painting that takes any portion of someone else's photo must state that it's "a study of. . ." and name the photo and the painter must have written permission from the photographer to use it. That includes photos published in copyrighted books. Painters HATED that. The lawyer went on to say that photographers are under the same rules and any publication or sale of photos of others' artwork (sculpture, paintings, etc.). So as to the question about photographing sculpture, according to that lawyer, it would be fine, just don't sell it or license it. Of course older sculptures might be in the public domain. Even buildings may be copyrighted, so selling a picture of buildings can be questioned.
The lawyer's summary was that taking a photo of or painting anything created by someone else is a slippery slope and should be avoided. His words to painters was "Be original!" This is why I do landscapes. They're invented by God, not man.
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Love your last two sentences. I too mainly do landscapes, plus close-ups and macros of Flowers and Seashells. All parts of the natural world.
Readers may want to do some further research into this case before commenting. The original image was licensed to Newsweek, not Vanity Fair. VF did get a license for their subsequent use, but from the estate of Andy Warhol for a silkscreen image from his series of paintings, not the original photograph.
I'm not a copyright expert any more than the rest of us, but the Kagan/Roberts dissent may be more "right" than the majority opinion when viewed in the light of "the real whole story."
Rongnongno wrote:
The ruling has very limited effect (narrow scope*)on most photographer and does not mean much according to analyst who looked at it.
Tempest in a teapot.
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* The image was sold for a one time use (Vanity Fair)and then was reused for commercial purposes. That was a breach of contract, nothing else.
Yes, it would seem it is a breach of contract, nothing else, as you claim. But that, Nothing Else, could be huge dollars that should have gone to the original photographer. While I am agreeing with you, this time, it seems far more than a tempest in a teapot. To the court, Single Use, should mean exactly what it says, a one time use by Vanity Fair.
Dennis
I always thought Warhol's image of Marilyn Monroe was infringement because he did not take the photo it was based on.
JD750 wrote:
The Short Story as I understand it is as follows.
Lynn Goldsmith took a photo, and sold a single use to Vanity. Vanity published it. Vanity then commissioned Andy Warhol to create a Prince series, using that photo. Later Lynn found out and asked Vanity for copyright fees. Vanity refused, feared a lawsuit and asked a court for a “fair use” ruling which would mean she could not claim damages. Lynn counter sued. Art is tricky stuff for the courts to sort out. Nevertheless this is an important case for all the stakeholders. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of Lynn. Personally I think The Supremes got it right.
Search for Andy Warhol Copyright to find multiple articles on the subject.
Post your thoughts here and let’s try to avoid getting too emotional, ok?
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I know this is a slight detour from the topic, but I am so confused about copyrighting one's photos. Is just signing your picture enough proof that it is yours? I am embarrassed to ask this... but...?
cindo51 wrote:
I know this is a slight detour from the topic, but I am so confused about copyrighting one's photos. Is just signing your picture enough proof that it is yours? I am embarrassed to ask this... but...?
You can read some of the links in the replies above on this page. You can read some of the information from this page specific to photographic work at the US Copyright office.
https://www.copyright.gov/registration/photographs/If you want the "defend" your copyright of your original work, you need to
register your copyright at the US office / website, for US work and US issues / defenses. Your unregistered work is not eligible for damages of copyright infringement. Adding "copyright" into your watermark or camera EXIF serves to indicate you will 'defend' your copyright to all your original work. But, only proper registration gives you an ability to enforce your copyright and collect damages, if applicable.
Your 'copyright' exists automatically for your original work, regardless of words or icons in the image watermark or EXIF / metadata.
CHG_CANON wrote:
You can read some of the links in the replies above on this page. You can read some of the information from this page specific to photographic work at the US Copyright office.
https://www.copyright.gov/registration/photographs/If you want the "defend" your copyright of your original work, you need to
register your copyright at the US office / website, for US work and US issues / defenses. Your unregistered work is not eligible for damages of copyright infringement. Adding "copyright" into your watermark or camera EXIF means ZERO - NIL - NADA relative to defining and enforcing your copyrights. Only proper registration gives you an ability to enforce your copyright.
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Thanks so much! I was afraid this was the situation.. can you copyright a 'folder' of pictures, or m use you do it one at a time? Thanks again!~
cindo51 wrote:
Thanks so much! I was afraid this was the situation.. can you copyright a 'folder' of pictures, or m use you do it one at a time? Thanks again!~
The Copyright office / website provides a 'bulk load' process. They provide instructions, spreadsheet templates, and a fee-structure for performing this registration function.
cindo51 wrote:
I know this is a slight detour from the topic, but I am so confused about copyrighting one's photos. Is just signing your picture enough proof that it is yours? I am embarrassed to ask this... but...?
Don’t be embarrassed. You and I and others take our time to photograph. For some, it may seem like the push of a shutter button but it’s more than that. Watermarks can be removed if the forger chooses. You could copyright your work but that takes time and money. You can also use a “poorman’s copyright.” That is, mail the photo back to yourself. Now it is dated and as long as the envelope is not opened you have a pretty tight case. This method does have its loopholes but it will show you how those work the copyright.
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