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Mar 7, 2023 15:24:01   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
And about those obscene profits, do you know that Walmart's net annual profit is more than twice as much as Exxon-Mobile's?


I assume you meant to say, "HOW do you know..."

Public records, easily obtained. Look it up.

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Mar 7, 2023 17:01:39   #
dancers Loc: melbourne.victoria, australia
 
after watching "Aircraft Investigations" on TV I will never go up again..............shudder.

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Mar 7, 2023 17:39:40   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
dancers wrote:
after watching "Aircraft Investigations" on TV I will never go up again..............shudder.


Traveling by air is, if nothing else, the safest way to travel, bar none. Aircraft accidents receive an inordinate amount of coverage which is often blown all out of proportion. Any activity is inherently dangerous so pick your poison. I hate flying now but it's not because of any safety concern.

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Mar 7, 2023 19:24:21   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
I agree with all the downsides of flying these days. But I have family and friends who live far away, and that is the only practical way to visit them, and I won't give that up.

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Mar 8, 2023 05:12:23   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Ollieboy wrote:
If the public stopped flying for pleasure for 1 year the airlines would take notice. I understand business travel can't be avoided, but we must hit them where it hurts [$] and boycott them. Money talks.


Actually, the pandemic eliminated a lot business trips and Zoom became cheaper and more sensible alternative for many.

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Mar 8, 2023 07:24:06   #
Dalek Loc: Detroit, Miami, Goffstown
 
Cannot fly due to covid related blood clots and neuropathy.

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Mar 8, 2023 07:33:44   #
andrec1 Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
That is why we use Amtrak to travel. No hassle. We get a sleeper. We are retired, so never in a hurry.

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Mar 8, 2023 07:39:39   #
joehel2 Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ
 
I was recently on a Finnair flight where all the seating was the same front to back of the plane. The Business Class, a bit more expensive seats in the front, were so designated because the middle seat was left unoccupied.

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Mar 8, 2023 07:43:05   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
andrec1 wrote:
That is why we use Amtrak to travel. No hassle. We get a sleeper. We are retired, so never in a hurry.


That should make for an interesting trans-Atlantic trip.

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Mar 8, 2023 08:27:22   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
TriX wrote:
I flew for 40+years for business and never again with the possible exception of one last trip to Europe (maybe). Flying has become a miserable experience and it’s not just the TSA. I learned all the tricks, and it was still awful the last decade or so made worse by the narrow hard seats with no legroom, overcrowded overheads (caused by the abysmal way airlines handle checked baggage), fees for everything, stupid boarding processes and uninformed, unruly passengers. It’s amazing they can get flight attendants to work for them. The greatest benefit to retirement is not having to fly. Just for those that still plan on doing it, here’s what I learned:

1) only direct flights - avoid connecting flights like the plague - this is where missed connections due to late arrivals kill you
2) if possible, avoid commuter (4 digit) flights. Much less experience in the cockpit.
3) never check anything!
4) Uber to the airport and avoid the parking hassle. If you must park, write down the lot, row and space #. If you do “lose” your car, many airports can tell you where it is by licenses # - the inventory the lots nightly
5) Get TSA precheck status (if you fly enough, you’ll likely get this free)
6)if you can’t fly first class (a wonderful luxury, but unless you’re a frequent flyer and get free upgrades is exorbitant and few if any companies will pay for it), choose aisle seats up front - last on, first off. Pick an exit row if available for extra leg room
7) if you fly Southwest, check in the second checkin is available so you always get an “A” boarding pass.
8) stand in the front of the mass waiting to board so when your group is called, there will be overhead bin space.
9) don’t bring oversized carry ons and learn to stow it quickly (without arranging other people’s) bags and sit down quickly.
10) ignore the cheap car rental companies (there wil be lines) the major companies are little if any more expensive. Personally I always used National Emerald Aisle. No counter, no line, just walk into the garage, pick your car and drive off
11) get to the airport early enough that you don’t need to rush and can pick up a book or magazine and maybe a snack to carry on.
I flew for 40+years for business and never again w... (show quote)


Good advice.

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Mar 8, 2023 08:30:26   #
Edward Booth Loc: Riverview, Florida
 
I'm with you Jerry. At 6'9" flying is not much fun anymore. I used to love it. Not any more!

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Mar 8, 2023 08:43:17   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
I stopped flying a few years ago too. I flew on two around the world vacations in the early 1980's and had millions of air miles on frequent flyer programs. As most of you have noted, airlines are not customer friendly any longer and the check-in/security process is a nightmare. Luckily, before it turned into this mess I had been to over 50 countries so with few exceptions I've been to all the places I care to go that require air travel. Now I love driving vacations in North America and that satisfies my travel and photography needs.

One of the stories I like to tell kids that never flew before 9/11 was when I was on a business trip with a co-worker in Kankakee, Illinois and got lost late at night going to the airport in Chicago. We were late for the flight so we ran straight from the car rental return to the gate (no check-in or security) and arrived just as they were closing the door. They opened it back up and let us on with our check-in sized bags in hand. It was a red eye flight and we had first class tickets so they stowed our large bags in the cabin closet and we proceeded to go upstairs to the lounge/bar (747) where we spent the entire flight from Chicago to San Francisco as the only passengers up there. Flying was so much fun in those days and the flight attendants were all georgeous.

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Mar 8, 2023 08:49:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
tomad wrote:
I stopped flying a few years ago too. I flew on two around the world vacations in the early 1980's and had millions of air miles on frequent flyer programs. As most of you have noted, airlines are not customer friendly any longer and the check-in/security process is a nightmare. Luckily, before it turned into this mess I had been to over 50 countries so with few exceptions I've been to all the places I care to go that require air travel. Now I love driving vacations in North America and that satisfies my travel and photography needs.

One of the stories I like to tell kids that never flew before 9/11 was when I was on a business trip with a co-worker in Kankakee, Illinois and got lost late at night going to the airport in Chicago. We were late for the flight so we ran straight from the car rental return to the gate (no check-in or security) and arrived just as they were closing the door. They opened it back up and let us on with our check-in sized bags in hand. It was a red eye flight and we had first class tickets so they stowed our large bags in the cabin closet and we proceeded to go upstairs to the lounge/bar (747) where we spent the entire flight from Chicago to San Francisco as the only passengers up there. Flying was so much fun in those days and the flight attendants were all georgeous.
I stopped flying a few years ago too. I flew on t... (show quote)


Another negative - no cancellations or transfers, with few exceptions. You buy it, and you're stuck with it.

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Mar 8, 2023 09:32:18   #
VTMatwood Loc: Displaced Vermonta in Central New Hampsha
 
My solution to the high cost of flying? Get an airline credit card, and charge everything to it that I can. I pay it monthly so there are no finance charges. Doing that gets me miles to spend on both domestic and international flights, as well as upgraded status. Although I traveled extensively for work before I retired, and amassed quite a haul for miles, I still use my United card. I'll be flying from NH to Ohio in May for $11. If only I could put my car payment and mortgage on it ;)

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Mar 8, 2023 10:33:58   #
Canisdirus
 
I stopped traveling because...I'm done.
The wife and I decided early in life not to wait for retirement to explore the world...we wanted to see and experience.
Elderly couples on their first BIG trip...and could barely get around...and the stairs...oh my...always so many stairs.
I'm sure they had their 'measure' of fun...but such a different experience...they missed...saw that so many times...

So we decided...do it. And we did...Europe 5 or 6 times a year...always quick jaunts followed by a long cruise once a year...with some 'week only' filling in gaps.

Europe has spiraled so much the last ten years or so... I don't miss it.
Still keep in contact with friends...and they come over once in a while.

If you are still young and in good health...don't wait...make the time to live life for yourself...even while working.

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