gwilliams6

You are the one that mentioned the Lambo. In my sports cars and if I had a lambo, I would only want a manual stick, even if I chose to drive that lambo in traffic, LOL I have been driving since 1967 and I still prefer the fun of a stick for all my sports cars I have owned and still own. I also have owned sedans, SUVs and minivans with auto trannys, but the stick shifts are still much more fun for me. I am old ,but not old enough to have driven any cars that required a crank to start , LOL

And if you count the time since my first cameras, I have been shooting for more than 60 years

Hey I was just quoting your own words in my quotation marks. I wont make broad statements and assertions like you did without putting them in context of facts.

Cheers and best to you.

BebuLamar

I found the video just by Google the tittle. But here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDGJZ-PLFLw

gwilliams6

I did the same google search and didnt get it, go figure.

Thanks

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

I have not seen the video. Everyone has an opinion, even if it is wrong. Manual mode will never be outdated. Too many things that can only be shot in manual, try shooting the stars or any nighttime photo without manual, any long exposure needs to be done in manual mode. I haven't seen a camera that will go above 30 sec, then bulb.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

It is definitely outdated.
Only those who have passed expiration date still argue it.
The exception is you must use manual with a manual camera.
If you shoot "Manual" but expose as the meter says you are just doing exactly what auto would do only better.
You can shoot PSA and get under and over exposure if desired.
Finally manual is ALL manual including a fixed ISO or you are not fully manual.
Do you need to lock exposure? Yep, the camera will do that as well.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

If you use digital, you're not a real photographer.

jack schade Loc: La Pine Oregon

Well said.

jack

Toment Loc: FL, IL

Watched it. Thought provoking. May change my mind. Too much time spent changing settings only to miss the shot!
Auto ISO with P or A or S may be the ticket. After all, the picture is more important than how you got it. I skulled a nine iron on the Par 5 third shot and it went in the hole! It’s not how, just how many, that counts on the score card…

Toment Loc: FL, IL

Kelby did say that manual is what to use in the studio, to be creative with light. I think most of the video is aimed at people who get frustrated trying to be “professionals.”

Toment Loc: FL, IL

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Toment Loc: FL, IL

Brilliant! Really…

gwilliams6

Now I have had a chance to watch the video, and now I see that folks here in this UHH discussion are quoting what the two hosts are quoting in the video.

I respect Kelby as a shooter and have shared some of his PS and LR techniques with my university photo students. When he talks about smartphone shooters and cameras with pop-up flashes and using Program mode, I know the audience he is speaking to.

If I was doing my own youtube channel I could make an even longer video to discuss every point he makes for manual mode being outdated and show valid situations where auto modes give you less creative control. But here that would take several pages and no one wants to read all that. LOL

The short of it is I personally like to control BOTH my aperture and shutter speeds for my creative choices in EACH shot, so I dont want a camera deciding on the amount of shallow or extended depth of field with the wrong aperture, or have the camera choose the wrong shutter speed for stopping or blurring a subject. If you give up control of one of those key settings you may get perfectly exposed shots, but NOT the creative choices of ALL your settings.

I am much more likely to use auto ISO (with auto ISO range set) in fast changing lighting conditions, while maintaining the appropriate shutter speed and appropriate aperture for the DOF I want throughout.

If I only cared about one setting at a time and just getting perfect averaged exposures, then sure Aperture or Shutter Priority works great.

In my university Digital Photography and Photojournalism classes I teach, often I have students that have never used a DSLR or mirrorless camera before, beyond the mirrorless cameras in their smartphones. I also teach a 35mm B&W film course and that has other particulars to learn when using film with its more limited dynamic and exposure ranges compared to digital, and with no in-camera exposure reviews possible.

As I take my Digital Photography and Photojournalism students through the basics of photography and how to use their school-supplied DSLR and mirrorless kits, I will allow them to start out in the auto modes, just to get them started and not discouraged as they explore their own vision with gear totally new and foreign to them.

As we go over the exposure triangle, basic composition, depth of field, white balance and more in class and with their first shooting assignments, I will gradually move them into taking more creative and manual control of their camera setting. Mistakes made here help teach them what each setting does and why they need the knowledge to be masters of their gear, and not rely on their gear to be masters of them.

They are still allowed to use any auto settings if they choose to in completing their more complicated still and video assignments over the 16-week semester courses. But in the end they usually thank me for teaching, encouraging and challenging them to be better photographers and learning to master use of all that their gear can do, beyond the world of Program mode.

Cheers and best to you all.

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

All good points. And the auto modes do the same things that you manually set your camera to. On my D7000, Landscape mode will turn up the f stop, turn down the shutter speed and alter the contrast, saturation and so on. Sport mode ups the shutter speed, portrait mode tunes in on correct skin color, night landscape aims at low noise and correcting unnatural colors when you have all kinds of different light sources, sunset intensifies oranges and reds, beach-snow aims at making white snow look white instead of the all too common underexposed gray and so on.

My D800 has none of those pre set “modes”, so a more expensive camera forces you to make iso, saturation, etc adjustments manually. The “amateur” cameras make all of those adjustments for you just by twisting the knob.

Kind of makes me think that while top line cameras have the better hardware, the low and mid range cameras most definitely have the more convenient, user friendly software.

If high end models are the only camera a person has ever used, of course you say you only use manual because you are forced to. Maybe the high end shooters ought to try one of the mid range models with all of the pre set modes, 19 of them on the D7000. They might find that those pre set modes aren’t so bad after all. And that they can spend more time looking through the viewfinder and less time thumbing through the menus.

epd1947

The differences in available “scene” modes between consumer grade cameras and more professionally oriented gear are what allow more casual users to upgrade, from devises like the iPhone which applies what is commonly referred to as “computational” photography algorithms, to more versatile cameras - the more traditional cameras should take a lesson from the iPhone with regard to computational photography and should also build in basic editing software and the ability to upload images directly to social media platforms like Facebook and Instagram.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

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