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Feb 19, 2023 16:03:29   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
scubadoc wrote:
That is the definition of the advertising industry - thinking of new ways to get people to buy a product. Is all advertising dishonest, deceptive, a hustle? I don’t think so. People can tune in or tune out, as they prefer and depending on their interests. No one forces you to click on a site or to watch or read an ad. If that is how the game is played, that game has been around forever and wasn’t invented by the internet, it has just been modified to fit the new reality of the web.


Don't be silly. We are awash in advertising, and much of it is highly deceptive and manipulative.

"No one forces you to click on a link" is irrelevant. We are not talking about you forced to click on a link, but rather being tricked into clicking on a link. That is extremely common, more so every day.

There have been many studies showing that people's idea that they can simply "tune out" advertising is an illusion. Those who think they can tune it out are often merely oblivious to the effect it is having on them, and therefore they are probably more susceptible to being manipulated.

Real time data collection and tracking and personalized custom micro-targeted advertising are new. That has made dishonest and deceptive practices much easier, with much less accountability.

No, the advertising game has not been around forever. Trademarks, posters, town criers, and signboards are ancient, but advertising as we know it did not become a force until the mid 19th century, and it has grown and grown ever since, to the point that it now dominates all facets of our lives.

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Feb 19, 2023 16:06:24   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I don't buy into it at all. I use M mode 98% of the time. It's the only way to accurately obtain the appropriate Zones I want depicted in the final photograph.
--Bob
charles brown wrote:
Was browsing YouTube the other day when I ran across a video by Scott Kelby and friend entitled "Why Shooting in Manual Mode is Outdated....". Has anyone else seen the video and, if so, what do you think of his point of view? Not sure I completely buy into everything he says, but he does raise some interesting thoughts.

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Feb 19, 2023 16:27:49   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
While we are at it, I would humbly suggest that we declare a few more things outdated, you know, those things that the snobs with their so-called experience and expertise are always going on about. For example, let's repeal the inverse-square law. And that "family of angles" thing. What's that all about anyway? Modern cameras handle all of that stuff automatically. We can get rid of depth of field. Who has time to calculate that when you are on the run snapping away?

Let's not stop there. Who needs a camera anymore? There is software now that can create any image you want. Your face in front of the Eiffel Tower? No problem. In fact, you can even put a better, much improved AI generated face on yourself!

Yes, it is all true. Photographers are outdated.
While we are at it, I would humbly suggest that we... (show quote)



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Feb 19, 2023 16:30:13   #
BebuLamar
 
Imagemine wrote:
If you can't master the exposure Triangle than M mode is overrated, but on the other hand if you want control of your images & get better results & less post processing than use the M mode


I do photography in manual mode since the 60's and I only heard about the triangle in the 21st century. But how can M mode be overrated when my camera back then didn't have an M mode but it had the shutter speed dial and the aperture ring. There is the ASA setting too for the meter but I am sure it didn't have M mode. I

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Feb 19, 2023 16:30:28   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
rmalarz wrote:
I don't buy into it at all. I use M mode 98% of the time. It's the only way to accurately obtain the appropriate Zones I want depicted in the final photograph.
--Bob



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Feb 19, 2023 16:33:51   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
rmalarz wrote:
I don't buy into it at all. I use M mode 98% of the time. It's the only way to accurately obtain the appropriate Zones I want depicted in the final photograph.
--Bob



Your superb results speak for themselves.

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Feb 19, 2023 19:01:11   #
gwilliams6
 
epd1947 wrote:
Manual mode works well where precise and repeatable exposures are called for, such as in studio portrait sessions where your goal might be to set all parameters to essentially negate the inclusion of the ambient lighting and supply all lighting artificially. To me the issue is with people who insist that shooting in Manual mode is somehow the mark of the professional to which everyone should aspire and using anything other than Manual is only for know nothing tyros. What matters is getting the exposure you want to express the end result you want. Fighting the technology for the sake of fighting the technology makes little sense. Someone I heard put it quite well regarding avoiding the tech in our present cameras - “you don’t buy a Lamborghini and then push it by hand.”
Manual mode works well where precise and repeatabl... (show quote)


As a photographer that has also been an amateur road race driver, I use manual shift in my sports cars not automatic . LOL

I think you are assuming too much.

Working Pros dont waste their time saying shooting in manual is "the mark of the professional to which everyone should aspire and using anything other than Manual is only for know nothing tyros." LOL, LOL

We may tell you why we prefer to shoot in manual a majority of the time, but that doesn't mean you have to. Do what works for you and be happy.

And I can tell you I get all the best of my camera's special features, performance and image quality without shooting in auto modes. You may understand this when you understand your gear better with all it can do when you are in control.

There is room for all of us and how we choose to use our gear.

Cheers and best to you.

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Feb 19, 2023 19:03:04   #
ELNikkor
 
12 pages? Ok, I'll chip in. I prefer manual when the lighting is consistent.

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Feb 19, 2023 19:05:06   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
ELNikkor wrote:
12 pages? Ok, I'll chip in. I prefer manual when the lighting is consistent and the action, if there is any, is slow.


Exactly. Get the same exposure in a set taken within the same scene and don't get different exposures as subjects move around and fool the meter into changing exposure.

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Feb 19, 2023 19:38:20   #
stan0301 Loc: Colorado
 
My Nikon measures light a far more points than I ever would, and evaluates them against hundreds of typical captures - that, plus using the point feature to tell the camera where to look does very, very well - and you can always override it

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Feb 19, 2023 19:41:33   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
plumbbob1 wrote:
I like manuel mode as a backup in extreme situations or when when I need complete control. Yet, I seldom us it but am glad it's available.


Very well put! All the controversy could probably be summed up in two words, “whatever works”.

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Feb 19, 2023 19:54:04   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Very well put! All the controversy could probably be summed up in two words, “whatever works”.


And whatever works is highly dependent on the subject matter. BIF is different from shooting sports events, is different from shooting landscapes, is different from shooting wildlife with changing backgrounds. Knowing how to set exposure and focus is critical, as all the above scenarios require different settings. Modern mirrorless cameras make this very easy if you understand the underlying technology. BIF requires high shutter speed with a moderate DOF if you want to capture the entire bird. In dim lighting, this cannot be readily achieved without using auto ISO. If your ISO goes above 1600, modern post process software can eliminate sensor noise. Shooting sporting events requires a high shutter speed with aperture not so important. Landscape photography requires good DOF with shutter speed not so important, especially if using a tripod. The examples go on and on, and that, to me, is why learning how to use the M mode is critical to achieve the best results. I would also submit that the exposure triangle should be updated to to the exposure quadrangle, with the 4th variable being exposure compensation.

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Feb 19, 2023 20:15:33   #
epd1947
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
As a photographer that has also been an amateur road race driver, I use manual shift in my sports cars not automatic . LOL

I think you are assuming too much.

Working Pros dont waste their time saying shooting in manual is "the mark of the professional to which everyone should aspire and using anything other than Manual is only for know nothing tyros." LOL, LOL

We may tell you why we prefer to shoot in manual a majority of the time, but that doesn't mean you have to. Do what works for you and be happy.

And I can tell you I get all the best of my camera's special features, performance and image quality without shooting in auto modes. You may understand this when you understand your gear better with all it can do when you are in control.

There is room for all of us and how we choose to use our gear.

Cheers and best to you.
As a photographer that has also been an amateur ro... (show quote)


I don’t think I said that working pros make that statement- but I have heard and seen it said on all manner of blogs, YouTube videos and so on. I also have no issue with people deciding to use manual mode - I have been shooting for over 50 years and, except for in certain situations, the images one can capture in any of the auto modes are indistinguishable from those taken in Manual mode if the auto modes are used correctly. For 99% of the driving most of us do day to day an automatic transmission is a welcome convenience while dealing with manual transmissions in normal traffic is nothing by a pain in the rear. Also nice to have a starter motor to fire up the engine rather that have to use a crank protruding from the front of the grill.

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Feb 19, 2023 20:24:44   #
gwilliams6
 
BebuLamar wrote:
It's a click bait to get you to spend over an hour to watch his stuff. He actually meant "Manual mode is overrated" not outdated.


Can you share the link to the video, I couldn't find it on his channel,

Thanks

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Feb 19, 2023 20:28:14   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
charles brown wrote:
Was browsing YouTube the other day when I ran across a video by Scott Kelby and friend entitled "Why Shooting in Manual Mode is Outdated....". Has anyone else seen the video and, if so, what do you think of his point of view? Not sure I completely buy into everything he says, but he does raise some interesting thoughts.


That video is an hour and thirteen minutes long and I wasted 23 minutes watching it up to that point. They just play cutesy and keep repeating themselves over and over by saying manual mode is archaic and variations of that theme. They obviously want to extend the time of the vid in order to get more ads into it.

They kept stressing that the only thing manual does is regulate the brightness of a picture. They repeated this many times in the first 20 minutes and it made me wonder if they ever heard of depth of field or hyperfocal distances or stop action or intentionally blurring etc. etc.

Modern cameras have countless new capabilities and they are there for a reason and should/can be used as necessary or convenient, but saying manual mode is obsolete is just a war cry by these guys to attract viewers to their overly long and boring video. Throughout the year I will use four exposure modes, but over the long haul manual is the fastest and easiest.

I drive an automatic transmission because I can't get a manual transmission in the vehicle I want. I do a lot of off roading (not as a sport but as a means to get where I want to go) and I would much prefer a manual transmission for many reasons. For example, have you ever started an automatic transmission car by rolling down hill and popping the clutch? The same with a camera, use what is best for you under the conditions at the time, but beware of the smoke blowers who might say otherwise.

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