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The science is undeniable: Face masks do NOT stop covid transmission
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Feb 18, 2023 09:59:43   #
chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
For those of us who have chosen to wear masks in public places for the last 3 years, and have avoided getting sick, masks do work.

I feel no no pity or sympathy for those of you who choose to go around maskless in public, and have ended up getting sick with either the common cold, the flu, or Covid-19.

Have you forgotten that from the onset they have been saying that the masks are not to prevent you from catching it but to reduce the likelihood of you spreading it.
I'm finding it interesting that you have brought a new bar in that has not been established.

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Feb 18, 2023 10:23:04   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Well, I guess I'm among the lucky few with really good genes.

My mother was what she called an "influenza baby", she was born just before the 1918 influenza pandemic hit, and lived a good, long life, and rarely got sick with a bad cold or the flu.


Your comment does nothing to prove you are correct in your flawed assessment and that I and others are wrong. Fact IS masks do not stop the virus from spreading because the mask only covers the mouth and nose and at that it fails miserably. In order to completely stop the virus from spreading from one person to another it would take possibly a full haz mat suit. Even at that once the suit is removed there will be germs on the outside of the suit that could be transmitted to others. Nothing is foolproof yet you on the Left have spread the BS forever that masks are the end all to stop the transmission of Covid.

I told you I have also worn masks and have all my shots yet I contracted Covid. Yet you seem to think you cannot contract the disease. Sorry my bestest friend but that is not any form of common sense, just a stupid Left Wing pile of BS you all throw about to control the population. It ain't working and there is proof I am right.

Oh, with all due respect, your mother has nothing to do with this. Nice story though but insignificant.

Dennis

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Feb 18, 2023 10:53:48   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
chikid68 wrote:
Have you forgotten that from the onset they have been saying that the masks are not to prevent you from catching it but to reduce the likelihood of you spreading it.
I'm finding it interesting that you have brought a new bar in that has not been established.

You misinterpret. It's not at all new:
1. Masks were said to prevent transmission.
2. The Cochrane analysis said this cannot be proven.

The studies did not address specific likelihood of spreading nor specific likelihood of catching. Simply that having people in general wearing masks cannot be shown to reduce transmission, which of course involves someone spreading and someone else catching.

I thinks it's safe to assume that with some 674,000,000 cases of Covid worldwide, some well designed study or studies would have shown a statistically significant benefit of mask wearing if such benefit existed.

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Feb 18, 2023 12:36:11   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but masks do work!

It's now been over 3 years since the Coronavirus started to spread around the world.

I've been fully vaccinated and boosted, as well as wearing a face mask every time I go into a place of business.

I haven't been infected yet!


There are many people around that would refute your bulls__t!

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Feb 18, 2023 12:39:04   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
steve03 wrote:
I commute every working day on the Long Island railroad and I see very few peopl waring masks, almost nobody. So why are w still beating this dead horse


Good question. New York officials are screwed up.

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Feb 18, 2023 12:43:17   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but masks do work!

It's now been over 3 years since the Coronavirus started to spread around the world.

I've been fully vaccinated and boosted, as well as wearing a face mask every time I go into a place of business.

I haven't been infected yet!


That's because everybody is avoiding you like the plague!

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Feb 18, 2023 12:44:46   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
flip1948 wrote:
Undeniable?

Your source article ends with:

"The latest review will not conclusively answer the scientific questions around mask efficacy, but it should answer any lingering questions over the harm of censorship..."

That's hardly an "undeniable" conclusion. The article also is very scant on just what this study was, who conducted it and whether it was peer reviewed.


If you did any kind of investigation there have been numerous reports citing similar information!

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Feb 18, 2023 12:46:43   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
David Martin wrote:
Don't dismiss the message because of the poor quality of the messenger.

The article cited by the OP is a poorly written, biased political hit based on a study published in January by the Cochrane Database of Systemic Reviews, a highly respected, leading source of medical information.

It is best to read the actual study, which irresponsibly was not properly referenced in the article.

The Cochrane paper is entitled "Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses" and is a meta analysis of all published studies on the effectiveness of masks.

The main conclusions were that the studies failed to show benefit of masks in stopping viral transmission, and that N95 masks were not shown to be superior to medical/surgical masks:

1. "Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI)/COVID‐19 like illness compared to not wearing masks"

2. "Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks"

3. "The use of a N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks probably makes little or no difference for the objective and more precise outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza infection"

4. "One previously reported ongoing RCT has now been published and observed that medical/surgical masks were non‐inferior to N95 respirators in a large study of 1009 healthcare workers in four countries providing direct care to COVID‐19 patients."

In short, if there is a benefit to wearing masks in limiting the spread of Covid (and influenza), after 3 years of pandemic, it has yet to be conclusively demonstrated.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
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Thanks for that clarification.

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Feb 18, 2023 13:19:05   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
bcheary wrote:
There are many people around that would refute your bulls__t!




Exactly right. I have friends who have never had Covid. They have never ever worn a mask except when forced to do so and have never had any vaccination. Some people get sick and some do not. My experience with Covid after wearing a mask AND having all vaccinations up to date was much less than a few sniffles that might accompany a head cold, basically NOTHING. Others, with and without the vaccinations have been much worse.

When I look back at Bullshit POS Biden, as he should be called across the planet, and think about our first responders and military men and women who were forced to leave the military or their job assignment when forced to leave I can't tell you how much I hate the lying corrupt Left Wingers who force their asinine stupid ridiculous beliefs on the rest of us.

Dennis

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Feb 18, 2023 13:43:35   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
bcheary wrote:
The science is undeniable: Face masks do NOT stop covid transmission

The other side of the coin, of course, is the harm that forced mask-wearing has been done, particularly in terms of early childhood development. Masks make it harder to hear and understand speech, to observe the mouths of speakers, and to identify facial expressions and emotions. Brain development may suffer, especially the areas concerned with language, comprehension, coordination of all the muscles required for correct speech development, and the understanding of facial expression and emotion. Not to mention potential psychological impacts of having to cover one's face under penalty of punishment.

During the peak of Covid, one of my grandkids aged 3 at the time, was referred to a speech therapist who insisted that both the patient and the therapist wore masks during the sessions. Absurd.

For those who value politics over science, and therefore discount these points as mere political bias, here's an article from one of the Left's holy grails of news media, NPR. Their article points out how the U.S. was and is an "outlier" by mandating masks for kids age 2 and up; WHO recommended over age 5 and the EU recommended over age 10.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/28/1075842341/growing-calls-to-take-masks-off-children-in-school

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Feb 18, 2023 13:57:48   #
Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State
 
bcheary wrote:
https://www.newstarget.com/2023-02-16-science-face-masks-dont-stop-covid-transmission.html


The title of the article does not agree with the subject matter. "may, possibly, likely, and arguably" are not definitive. 4, 5 and 6 studies that do not include the number involved or how the studies were conducted are meaningless.

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Feb 18, 2023 15:29:22   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
dennis2146 wrote:


Exactly right. I have friends who have never had Covid. They have never ever worn a mask except when forced to do so and have never had any vaccination. Some people get sick and some do not. My experience with Covid after wearing a mask AND having all vaccinations up to date was much less than a few sniffles that might accompany a head cold, basically NOTHING. Others, with and without the vaccinations have been much worse.

When I look back at Bullshit POS Biden, as he should be called across the planet, and think about our first responders and military men and women who were forced to leave the military or their job assignment when forced to leave I can't tell you how much I hate the lying corrupt Left Wingers who force their asinine stupid ridiculous beliefs on the rest of us.

Dennis
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My son who is in the military was vaccinated and still got COVID!

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Feb 18, 2023 15:30:04   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
David Martin wrote:
The other side of the coin, of course, is the harm that forced mask-wearing has been done, particularly in terms of early childhood development. Masks make it harder to hear and understand speech, to observe the mouths of speakers, and to identify facial expressions and emotions. Brain development may suffer, especially the areas concerned with language, comprehension, coordination of all the muscles required for correct speech development, and the understanding of facial expression and emotion. Not to mention potential psychological impacts of having to cover one's face under penalty of punishment.

During the peak of Covid, one of my grandkids aged 3 at the time, was referred to a speech therapist who insisted that both the patient and the therapist wore masks during the sessions. Absurd.

For those who value politics over science, and therefore discount these points as mere political bias, here's an article from one of the Left's holy grails of news media, NPR. Their article points out how the U.S. was and is an "outlier" by mandating masks for kids age 2 and up; WHO recommended over age 5 and the EU recommended over age 10.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/28/1075842341/growing-calls-to-take-masks-off-children-in-school
The other side of the coin, of course, is the harm... (show quote)



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Feb 18, 2023 15:34:13   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
bcheary wrote:
My son who is in the military was vaccinated and still got COVID!

But was he hospitalized?

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Feb 18, 2023 15:49:31   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
But was he hospitalized?


Nope. Quarantined!

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