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Feb 9, 2023 13:17:31   #
DDemetriad Loc: NYC NY
 
In the last year I both from B&H 5 - 2 TB seagate External hard drives. As of now 4 of the 5 stopped working after being ejected properly from my computer and I lost everything on them. I understand that some people got advised and help by calling the factory. Any advise or suggestion besides not buying again the Seagate brand?
Thanks in advance for advise
Dan Demetriad

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Feb 9, 2023 13:18:18   #
jldodge
 
My experience has largely been very good. I use their USB drives for backup AND their enterprise drives in a NAS setup as RAID 6. I have never had any problems with Seagate service whenever I have had to return a drive inside the warranty period. Over 10+ years, I have only returned 3 drives. Once I used their software to recover a drive that was NOT accessible from Windows and the recovery worked perfectly. Despite the accolades that many attribute to WD, I have not had a reason/urge to change brands.

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Feb 9, 2023 13:24:04   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
chrissybabe wrote:
HGST is owned by WD since 2012.


And it doesn’t seem to have affected their quality.

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Feb 9, 2023 13:27:26   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
jldodge wrote:
My experience has largely been very good. I use their USB drives for backup AND their enterprise drives in a NAS setup as RAID 6. I have never had any problems with Seagate service whenever I have had to return a drive inside the warranty period. Over 10+ years, I have only returned 3 drives. Once I used their software to recover a drive that was NOT accessible from Windows and the recovery worked perfectly. Despite the accolades that many attribute to WD, I have not had a reason/urge to change brands.
My experience has largely been very good. I use th... (show quote)


3 failures out of how many total drives?

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Feb 9, 2023 14:06:03   #
tennis2618
 
MJPerini wrote:
This is a really difficult (and unusual) situation to have 2 drives fail so close together.
All drive manufacturers make different quality level drives, and it shows in the warranty period, but even the best quality drive can fail.
I would let Seagate take a shot, even though it will be a long 30 days of waiting, the reason is since you can't get it to mount, you don't have the options they do to get it to mount.
Good luck

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Feb 9, 2023 14:13:51   #
tennis2618
 
A few months ago I had a Seagate drive fail within the warranty period. I decided to try their recovery group as I did have a backup for the time being. I got the recovered drive back in three weeks and about a week later got a new free drive. Didn't wait a month.

I have previously tried to reuse recovered drives (after transferring the info to an unused drive first) and they have worked well. Of course I have triple redundancy--the one a drive system and the other in the cloud, so if any drive fails I can work while it is gone.

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Feb 9, 2023 14:21:32   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
You have to be careful... my experience is totally different.

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Feb 9, 2023 14:25:21   #
jtang2
 
Sorry to hear about your problems. I have one Seagate drive that is going back to them for replacement. I have no issues with the Western Digital drives and will stick to them in the future. I also have cloud backup, so that is a good fallback when the drives fail.

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Feb 9, 2023 14:45:07   #
jldodge
 
~50 drives over a 10+ year period of time. All 3 of the failures were with "consumer" drives. I have been using their enterprise drives for about the last 5 years with no failures. I accept that those ratios may not meet other's expectations. However, disk drives do fail which is why I operate them in a RAID 6 array. While I wish none of them would fail, that is just not realistic given their mechanical nature.

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Feb 9, 2023 14:48:48   #
jldodge
 
An additional note: Over the years, I have migrated from 500MB drives to 12TB drives as my photo collection has expanded. The smaller drives have been gifted to family and friends as I traded up to the larger drives. Their use is much less demanding and, so far, none of them have failed.

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Feb 9, 2023 15:05:20   #
gwilliams6
 
sabfish wrote:
In terms of your request for suggested backup methods, perhaps you should transition to cloud backup. I realize that this can be considerably more expensive, but the likelihood of losing images is very small.


Cloud storage is also at risk as some clouds have gone down and lost millions of data files/photos/videos FOREVER, never to be recovered.

Use cloud storage as just one of your storage backups. Use multiple backup solutions and redo them every few years as all drives can fail over time.

FYI, I have two 8TB Seagate drives that have been problem free for years. I am about to buy another 8TB Seagate as one of my Fantom drives has died. I use the Geek Squad at my local Best Buy to do these large data transfers for me from any dead drive. I have never used Seagate's own recovery service but it is good to hear they are reliable and ready to help. My Seagate drives are long past any warranty, but are still working fine (knock on wood).

All but one of my large WD drives have failed over time, so even though Seagate has been owned by WD for the past few years, Seagate and WD drives are made in different plants and to different specs. I do NOT recommend WD drives anymore. My Geek Squad told me they have seen a larger number of failed WD hard drives in the past few years than any other brand. They seem to have lost their quality control, sadly. I have been a pro in this business for nearly 50 years and have owned many brands of drives, including loads of WD drives, but I personally will NEVER buy another WD drive, and will never recommend them anymore to anyone.

Cheers and best to you.

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Feb 9, 2023 15:56:55   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Cloud storage is also at risk as some clouds have gone down and lost millions of data files/photos/videos FOREVER, never to be recovered.

Use cloud storage as just one of your storage backups. Use multiple backup solutions and redo them every few years as all drives can fail over time.

FYI, I have two 8TB Seagate drives that have been problem free for years. I am about to buy another 8TB Seagate as one of my Fantom drives has died. I use the Geek Squad at my local Best Buy to do these large data transfers for me from any dead drive. I have never used Seagate's own recovery service but it is good to hear they are reliable and ready to help. My Seagate drives are long past any warranty, but are still working fine (knock on wood).

All but one of my large WD drives have failed over time, so even though Seagate has been owned by WD for the past few years, Seagate and WD drives are made in different plants and to different specs. I do NOT recommend WD drives anymore. My Geek Squad told me they have seen a larger number of failed WD hard drives in the past few years than any other brand. They seem to have lost their quality control, sadly. I have been a pro in this business for nearly 50 years and have owned many brands of drives, including loads of WD drives, but I personally will NEVER buy another WD drive, and will never recommend them anymore to anyone.

Cheers and best to you.
Cloud storage is also at risk as some clouds have ... (show quote)

With all due respect, I’m going to have two disagree on several points:

1) Regardless of what the “geek squad” says, the data from Backblaze that Jerry posted earlier in this thread tells a different story, and they keep statistics on tens of thousands of drives in 24x7x365 service. And as an aside, if your data matters, you should find better tech support than the geek squad, which is like going to Walmart for computer advice.

2)WD does NOT own Seagate. Both WD and Seagate have bought smaller companies and between them, they own the rotating media marketplace.

3) No MAJOR cloud service has ever failed and lost “millions of data files”. By major, I mean the likes of Amazon, Google, Microsoft, IBM, Apple, etc., which are the cloud services you should be using for a disaster recovery copy of your data or archiving. If you have different information, please post it. Now if you choose any of the hundred+ “mom and pop” cloud storage businesses, you’re on your own (and deserve what you get).

This from a data storage “pro” for over 50 years…

Cheers.

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Feb 9, 2023 16:20:05   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Cloud storage is also at risk as some clouds have gone down and lost millions of data files/photos/videos FOREVER, never to be recovered.

Use cloud storage as just one of your storage backups. Use multiple backup solutions and redo them every few years as all drives can fail over time..


A reputable cloud storage provider will use Duplication, Distribution, and Maintenance as core systems protection. If a drive goes out, the system has copies. If a site goes out due to some regional disaster, there will be other sites with the data. Maintenance keeps things working to the extent possible. Complete failure is not likely.

Cloud storage is secondary. Local storage is primary. Local storage has your stuff right there and it can be restored in minimum time. Cloud storage takes significant bandwidth to restore your stuff if you have a large amount of stuff. But the cloud storage WILL BE THERE if a local or regional disaster wipes out your local backup.

Cloud storage is significantly safer than local storage. Local storage is significantly faster than cloud storage. For your stuff, do you want speed or safety? Remember, you can have both, but not with one system.

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Feb 9, 2023 20:02:44   #
ikaush Loc: Medford, MA
 
jcboy3 wrote:
I've had several hard drive failures over the years. I've never lost data. I follow these rules:
1. Three copies of the data; original, online backup, offline backup.
2. Whenever a drive throws an error, it is replaced.
3. Offline backup swapped with online backup periodically for drive refresh.
4. Use only high quality drives (enterprise quality).
5. At least one drive is Raid 5 for self recovery.
6. Use drivers that report errors. This is important if you use Apple Mac computers, because the Mac OS doesn't do good drive monitoring.

My preference is SoftRAID for driver software and Raid management.

Not sure what types of drives you have. If you are using inexpensive Seagate drives, you quite likely have SMR (shingled magnetic recording) drives. These are horrid, and have extremely poor performance after an initial write. They are suitable for archive purposes upon the first write, and very light update. But you don't want to reuse them due to the architecture. I have used them specifically for archive. If I need to rewrite, I buy a new drive and recycle the old. Be sure that any drives you get in the future are CMR. Seagate have been pushing SMR drives into their higher capacity systems, and have not been forthcoming about it.

As for you specific case; I don't know how ChronoSync could have completed a backup and had it disappear from the target drive. Unless the drive error on the source drive resulted in loss of data before the backup.

Seagate recovery software may go directly to the drive; usually a drive would be dismounted by the software even if it had been mounted by the operating system. The recovery software would not use the OS file system for recovery, as the damage to the drive most likely includes damage to the file system.

One thing you learn with high capacity systems is how long it takes to perform functions on the drives. Especially something like drive certification, which takes days to just do one or two passes.

I recommend you get a large capacity RAID system for one set of backups. I usually keep mine offline (except for a RAID system for video processing), and periodically swap them in for refresh whether I need to run a backup to them. And make sure all of your drives are high quality drives. They cost more (sometimes much more), but it's worth it in my opinion. What are you going to do if you lose your data?

One last thing; I keep most of my current work on my main work drive, which is backed up nightly. I then migrate that data as appropriate to other drives when I won't be accessing it as frequently. Those drives are backed up when data is migrated to them, which I do on an as needed basis. When the backup is completed, I swap with the second backup drives and repeat. At no time are all three drives plugged in at the same time.
I've had several hard drive failures over the year... (show quote)


This is valuable info. Thanks.

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Feb 9, 2023 20:33:45   #
gwilliams6
 
TriX wrote:
With all due respect, I’m going to have two disagree on several points:

1) Regardless of what the “geek squad” says, the data from Backblaze that Jerry posted earlier in this thread tells a different story, and they keep statistics on tens of thousands of drives in 24x7x365 service. And as an aside, if your data matters, you should find better tech support than the geek squad, which is like going to Walmart for computer advice.

2)WD does NOT own Seagate. Both WD and Seagate have bought smaller companies and between them, they own the rotating media marketplace.

3) No MAJOR cloud service has ever failed and lost “millions of data files”. By major, I mean the likes of Amazon, Google, Microsoft, IBM, Apple, etc., which are the cloud services you should be using for a disaster recovery copy of your data or archiving. If you have different information, please post it. Now if you choose any of the hundred+ “mom and pop” cloud storage businesses, you’re on your own (and deserve what you get).

This from a data storage “pro” for over 50 years…

Cheers.
With all due respect, I’m going to have two disagr... (show quote)


It was reported here in UHH and online in the past two years about two internationally used cloud services that had servers go down and lost millions of files worldwide. I will look for the articles and post them again.

Will you correct your post when I find the articles ?

And I have major computer setups in my office and do most large data transfers myself and have a few recovery programs ,but when I have a large dead drive, it is less time-consuming to have the experts at my Geek Squad do it, and in some cases they send it out to an industrial recovery third party that uses the same recovery programs that the US State Department and Defense Department use. Nothing wrong with using the best when your photos are your income now and for future sales, and are my legacy.

As a successful photographer my files are stored to more than one place, but I wont risk losing any of my backed up work on any of my numerous drives. I am using more and more SDDs and they have a great track record of reliability and longevity, but with literally millions of photos I have taken in over 50 years, it is cost prohibitive to store all those on SDDs, so I also use large capacity HDD drives.

I wont stand here and say Seagate are without fault. In the past they had a poor track record for reliability and i stayed away from them, but their latest large capacity ones have improved greatly to where now they are more reliable than WD for me and many of my fellow pros, and our choice over WD for large capacity HDD storage . Just our real-world experiences and our reality, even if it isn't your experience with these two brands. I just wont buy another large capacity WD HDD external drive for my data storage.

LOL, maybe it is due to our Texas heat that our local Geek Squad is seeing more failed WD large capacity external HDD drives than other brands.

I did misspeak and you all rightly corrected me, WD owns Sandisk now, not Seagate. I own many Sandisk SSDs along with WD and Seagate HDD drives and was thinking Sandisk and said Seagate. In May 2016, Western Digital acquired SanDisk for US$19 billion. In the summer of 2017, Western Digital licensed the Fusion-io/SanDisk ION Accelerator software to One Stop Systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Digital

Cheers and best to you

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