Corrupt scum at the highest levels (Page 3): Good point. People seem to have big issues with the 10 commandments. I don't care what you believe but even if you don't believe in God the...

Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio

redlegfrog wrote:

"Everyone did what was right in their own eyes" A bible quote, Judges 21:25 judges 17:6 check it out. God wasn't happy with his people and he told them why. He passed judgement on them.
If you recognize the quote you know what's coming next if we don't turn from our ways and turn back to God. it won't be pretty.
God didn't give us too many rules, check out the 10 commandments but people "did what was right in their own eyes"

Good point. People seem to have big issues with the 10 commandments. I don't care what you believe but even if you don't believe in God the 10 commandments being practiced by all humans would lead to a Utopia. Even if you removed the commandments that deal with praying and God the rest would still lead to a Utopia. So if mankind cannot even pay attention to less than 10 rules to live in a Utopia letting everyone do as they choose darn sure ain't going to work.

redlegfrog

Drbobcameraguy wrote:

Good point. People seem to have big issues with the 10 commandments. I don't care what you believe but even if you don't believe in God the 10 commandments being practiced by all humans would lead to a Utopia. Even if you removed the commandments that deal with praying God the rest would still lead to a Utopia. So if mankind cannot ever pay attention to less than 10 rules to live in a Utopia letting everyone do as they choose darn sure ain't going to work.

Well said.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

redlegfrog wrote:

Where did your morals, moral compass come from?

My mother was raised in some combination of Presbyterian and Mormon (yes, strange), father was ex-protestant.

I was “indoctrinated” and went (more-or-less faithfully) to church until, about age nine. About the age of seventeen I started attending services at different churches: Protestant, Catholic, Presbyterian, Mormon, Baptist, Judaism, Hindu, Quakers, Mennonites, Methodist, Episcopal, Jehovah’s Witness, Church of Christ Scientist, Unitarian, Pentecostals, and Holy Rollers. Missed out on Islam and Scientology.

In Japan and Vietnam, I investigated Animism, Buddhism Confucianism Shinto and Taoism. Later read of Druidism,
Jainism, zoroastrianism and a few others.

I found all these sects had a similar tolerance for people who wanted to learn about their various religions.

The only problems arose when almost ALL the religions required, at some point, subjugation to BELIEF (“faith”) without corroborating EVIDENCE other than books or scriptures of uncertain or dubious authorship.

The Eastern religions actually resonated more with my current personal beliefs of treatment of other peoples and animals. More tolerant of others.

redlegfrog

Wyantry wrote:

My mother was raised in some combination of Presby... (show quote)

Pray to God, the one true God. Ask for something that you will accept as proof. I don't think God minds people who shop around and and have dought. Then you need to face Jesus. Lier, lunatic or Lord, which is he? If you are honest in your search Jesus will eventually show you the truth.
You want to kneel to the one true God, no other.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

Drbobcameraguy wrote:

Good point. People seem to have big issues with the 10 commandments. I don't care what you believe but even if you don't believe in God the 10 commandments being practiced by all humans would lead to a Utopia. Even if you removed the commandments that deal with praying and God the rest would still lead to a Utopia. So if mankind cannot even pay attention to less than 10 rules to live in a Utopia letting everyone do as they choose darn sure ain't going to work.

I am not sure compliance with the Judeo-Christian Ten Commandments would lead to a “utopia”.

The first four of the “Ten commandments” are all about recognizing and subjugating to the will of a “jealous god”. These relate to the need (at the time) to set forth a new religious belief and justify its existence. However they do not relate to human-to-human relationships.

I consider only the last few are truly applicable to human interactions, and would number them:

1. Thou shalt not kill (other Sentient beings).

2. Thou shalt not steal.

3. You shall not covet.

4. Thou shall not bear false witness.

5. Honor your father and mother.

To which I would add:

7. Thou shall not force your beliefs or morals upon another being.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

redlegfrog wrote:

Pray to God, the one true God. Ask for something that you will accept as proof. I don't think God minds people who shop around and and have dought. Then you need to face Jesus. Lier, lunatic or Lord, which is he? If you are honest in your search Jesus will eventually show you the truth.
You want to kneel to the one true God, no other.

That is your personal Judeo-Christian belief-system ‘speaking’ — demanding unswerving acquiescence to beliefs that are not reflected world-wide.

How about you follow your beliefs BY YOURSELF and cease attempting to force your religion on others?

That would be the “Christian” thing to do . . . !

scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.

Wyantry wrote:

That is your personal Judeo-Christian belief-system ‘speaking’ — demanding unswerving acquiescence to beliefs that are not reflected world-wide.

How about you follow your beliefs BY YOURSELF and cease attempting to force your religion on others?

That would be the “Christian” thing to do . . . !

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

redlegfrog wrote:

Pray to God, the one true God. Ask for something that you will accept as proof. I don't think God minds people who shop around and and have dought. Then you need to face Jesus. Lier, lunatic or Lord, which is he? If you are honest in your search Jesus will eventually show you the truth.
You want to kneel to the one true God, no other.

WHICH “one true god” did you have in mind? There are so many, it is hard to tell which from which.
Here are just a few:

”A200—A299. Gods of the Upper World
A210. Gods of the Sky
A220. Gods of the Sun
A240. Gods of the Moon
A250. Gods of the Stars
A260. Gods of Light
A270. Gods of the Dawn
A280. Gods of the Weather
A281. Gods of Storms
A282. Gods of the Wind
A284. Gods of Thunder
A287. Gods of Rain

A300—A399. Gods of the Underworld
A310. God of the World of the Dead
A311. Conductor of the Dead

A400—A499. Gods of the Earth (The Human Sphere)
A400. Gods of the Earth
A401. Mother Earth
A405. Gods of Nature
A410. Local Gods
A411. Gods of the Hearth and Household
A415. Gods of Clans or Nations
A420. Gods of Water
A430. Gods of Vegetation
A431. Gods of Fertility
A435. Gods of Trees and Forests
A440. Gods of Animals
A450. Gods of Trades and Professions
A451. Artisan Gods
A452. Gods of Hunting
A454. Gods of Healing
A461. Gods of Wisdom
A463. Gods of Fate
A463.1. the Fates, (goddesses who preside over the fates of men)
A464. Gods of Justice
A465. Gods of the Arts
A472. Gods of Sleep
A473. Gods of Wealth
A475. Gods of Love and Lust
A484. Gods of Oaths
A485. Gods of War
A486. the Furies, (goddesses of vengeance)
A487. Gods of Death
A490. Miscellaneous Gods of the Earth
A491. God of Travellers
A493. Gods of Fire . . .”

SOURCE: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities_by_classification.

The “one true god” is your personal Judeo-Christian belief-system ‘speaking’ — demanding unswerving acquiescence to beliefs that are not reflected world-wide.

How about you follow your beliefs BY YOURSELF and cease attempting to force your religion on others?

That would be the “Christian” thing to do . . . !

Addendum: I kneel to NO god — unless and until they reveal themselves in a verifiable manner.

redlegfrog

Wyantry wrote:

That is your personal Judeo-Christian belief-system ‘speaking’ — demanding unswerving acquiescence to beliefs that are not reflected world-wide.

How about you follow your beliefs BY YOURSELF and cease attempting to force your religion on others?

That would be the “Christian” thing to do . . . !

Who will you bow down to?

Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio

Wyantry wrote:

I am not sure compliance with the Judeo-Christian ... (show quote)

Yes I agree with you there and put that in my statement. That the god commandants can be removed. I have studied quite a few religions. It seems to me that the story is basically the same in all the mainstream religions. Yes some details and names are different but it seems to me that the basic story is the same. Only different enough to cause people to be divided. What's your take? You have studied many more than I have

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

Power attracts the worst and corrupts the best among us.

Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio

gmcase wrote:

Power attracts the worst and corrupts the best among us.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. No? Lol

redlegfrog

Wyantry wrote:

b WHICH “one true god” did you have in mind? The... (show quote)

I don't think trying to have a conversation or point out things you might have missed would qualify as FORCED!
Did you know you can delete any post you choose, you don't have to read them.
Lastly, I don't know your age but the day is coming that you will bow to someone. We are all adults here and get to make our own mistakes, but wouldn't it be best if you choose the one true God?

scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.

redlegfrog wrote:

I don't think trying to have a conversation or point out things you might have missed would qualify as FORCED!
Did you know you can delete any post you choose, you don't have to read them.
Lastly, I don't know your age but the day is coming that you will bow to someone. We are all adults here and get to make our own mistakes, but wouldn't it be best if you choose the one true God?

The "one true god" is relative. You cannot prove your "god" has any more relevance than any other accepted religion's god.

redlegfrog

scooter1 wrote:

The "one true god" is relative. You cannot prove your "god" has any more relevance than any other accepted religion's god.

Your way of looking at things, no I can't.
When that day comes and you get taken out, I'm sure you will be comforted by remembering all that prideful, useless rhetoric you thought made you sound smart.