Yep unfortunately our government is so corrupt in all departments and parties it is basically impossible to fix using the current groups.I will say there is a handful in the house and Senate that deserve to be servants of the people but the majority needs removed. Also the majority of leaders in appointment positions need the same.
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
Yep unfortunately our government is so corrupt in all departments and parties it is basically impossible to fix using the current groups.I will say there is a handful in the house and Senate that deserve to be servants of the people but the majority needs removed. Also the majority of leaders in appointment positions need the same.
Couldn't agree more. As you said the majority need to be removed. Corruption seems to have grabbed the majority of our "public servants".
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
Yep unfortunately our government is so corrupt in all departments and parties it is basically impossible to fix using the current groups.I will say there is a handful in the house and Senate that deserve to be servants of the people but the majority needs removed. Also the majority of leaders in appointment positions need the same.
All we can do at the "street level" is v**e for the most honest candidate. Even if you don't like the guy. Don't v**e for the politician, v**e for the most honest guy. AND PRAY!
redlegfrog wrote:
All we can do at the "street level" is v**e for the most honest candidate. Even if you don't like the guy. Don't v**e for the politician, v**e for the most honest guy. AND PRAY!
First we have to find an honest politician. Good luck with that. The honest ones are at the bottom of the totem pole and will never get to the point of running successfully for POTUS nor will they be nominated.
scooter1 wrote:
First we have to find an honest politician. Good luck with that. The honest ones are at the bottom of the totem pole and will never get to the point of running successfully for POTUS nor will they be nominated.
All thats left is Prayer!
redlegfrog wrote:
All thats left is Prayer!
I do not think prayer by itself will bring about a successful resolution to the current political situation. Nor will prayer elect honest, dedicated, t***hful individuals.
Prayer has not been successful in the past.
What WILL be effective, is doing the same things the democRats have done: - Becoming involved.
- Attending meetings. (School, city council, and others).
- Learning how to politely yet forcefully communicate a viewpoint.
- Becoming a member of a curriculum, textbook or education policy-review board.
- Logically refuting actions or policies that are not believed in. (Without shouting or using bad language).
- Not letting countering viewpoints put forth by others go unchallenged. (e.g. liberals, socialists, democrats, CRT promoters, or other groups).
- Getting politically involved: supporting candidates that promote your views.
- Helping with v****g procedures: monitoring, counting, &c..
Sitting-around and hoping (and praying) that things will somehow change in your favor without putting any effort into the situation is not going to change the situation at all!
Wyantry wrote:
I do not think prayer by itself will bring about a successful resolution to the current political situation. Nor will prayer elect honest, dedicated, t***hful individuals.
Prayer has not been successful in the past.
What WILL be effective, is doing the same things the democRats have done:
- Becoming involved.
- Attending meetings. (School, city council, and others).
- Learning how to politely yet forcefully communicate a viewpoint.
- Becoming a member of a curriculum, textbook or education policy-review board.
- Logically refuting actions or policies that are not believed in. (Without shouting or using bad language).
- Not letting countering viewpoints put forth by others go unchallenged. (e.g. liberals, socialists, democrats, CRT promoters, or other groups).
- Getting politically involved: supporting candidates that promote your views.
- Helping with v****g procedures: monitoring, counting, &c..
Sitting-around and hoping (and praying) that things will somehow change in your favor without putting any effort into the situation is not going to change the situation at all!
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EXACTLY and it took many years for our country to become what it is,so understand that it will take just as long and just as much effort to fix it.
Wyantry wrote:
I do not think prayer by itself will bring about a successful resolution to the current political situation. Nor will prayer elect honest, dedicated, t***hful individuals.
Prayer has not been successful in the past.
What WILL be effective, is doing the same things the democRats have done:
- Becoming involved.
- Attending meetings. (School, city council, and others).
- Learning how to politely yet forcefully communicate a viewpoint.
- Becoming a member of a curriculum, textbook or education policy-review board.
- Logically refuting actions or policies that are not believed in. (Without shouting or using bad language).
- Not letting countering viewpoints put forth by others go unchallenged. (e.g. liberals, socialists, democrats, CRT promoters, or other groups).
- Getting politically involved: supporting candidates that promote your views.
- Helping with v****g procedures: monitoring, counting, &c..
Sitting-around and hoping (and praying) that things will somehow change in your favor without putting any effort into the situation is not going to change the situation at all!
I do not think prayer by itself will bring about a... (
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Maybe we are in the situation we are in because of a lack of prayer and Gods intervention!
redlegfrog wrote:
Maybe we are in the situation we are in because of a lack of prayer and Gods intervention!
My father in law who was a pastor used to say a lot that if God didn't punish America soon he would have to apologize to Saddam and Gommorha. He has been gone for over ten years. The way things are going I have to agree with him.
Wyantry wrote:
I do not think prayer by itself will bring about a successful resolution to the current political situation. Nor will prayer elect honest, dedicated, t***hful individuals.
Prayer has not been successful in the past.
What WILL be effective, is doing the same things the democRats have done:
- Becoming involved.
- Attending meetings. (School, city council, and others).
- Learning how to politely yet forcefully communicate a viewpoint.
- Becoming a member of a curriculum, textbook or education policy-review board.
- Logically refuting actions or policies that are not believed in. (Without shouting or using bad language).
- Not letting countering viewpoints put forth by others go unchallenged. (e.g. liberals, socialists, democrats, CRT promoters, or other groups).
- Getting politically involved: supporting candidates that promote your views.
- Helping with v****g procedures: monitoring, counting, &c..
Sitting-around and hoping (and praying) that things will somehow change in your favor without putting any effort into the situation is not going to change the situation at all!
I do not think prayer by itself will bring about a... (
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Yup, faith or prayer without action is dead and fruitless.
DennyT
Loc: Central Missouri woods
redlegfrog wrote:
All we can do at the "street level" is v**e for the most honest candidate. Even if you don't like the guy. Don't v**e for the politician, v**e for the most honest guy. AND PRAY!
And if the “” most””” honest candidate is still a crook ??
Isn’t that the same saying just v**e for the lesser of two evils and hope for the best?
How has that worked out ?
Until people get away from the republicans and democrats we are doomed to repeat.
A first step to break the grip of the parties is rank order primaries
DennyT wrote:
And if the “” most””” honest candidate is still a crook ??
Isn’t that the same saying just v**e for the lesser of two evils and hope for the best?
How has that worked out ?
Until people get away from the republicans and democrats we are doomed to repeat.
A first step to break the grip of the parties is rank order primaries
And if the “” most””” honest candidate is still a crook ??
Then we are just screwed!
Old testament stuff- God let his people be captured and ens***ed, twice. What do you suppose his thoughts are on America right now? All your plans and ideas can't succeed without God, so discipline yourself to pray and tell your families and neighbors to do the same and maybe God will have mercy on out country.
redlegfrog wrote:
And if the “” most””” honest candidate is still a crook ??
Then we are just screwed!
Old testament stuff- God let his people be captured and ens***ed, twice. What do you suppose his thoughts are on America right now? All your plans and ideas can't succeed without God, so discipline yourself to pray and tell your families and neighbors to do the same and maybe God will have mercy on out country.
God most likely will not have mercy on America and Americans until the country returns to the morals and values on which it was founded. The odds of that are slimmer than winning the mega millions lottery. As per my post above God is going to have to punish America because he darn sure isn't going to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. And yes we are being held hostage by both parties. We the people could change the system but we the people can't stick together on or for anything except sometimes on a social media argument and it's even iffy then.
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