Exxon Research
Jan 14, 2023 14:51:10 #
BigDaddy wrote:
The vast majority of those saying otherwise are fu... (show quote)
Just another anti-science / conspiracy rant. So much misinformation here - no one is banning gas stoves, and wind and solar farms are operating successfully all over the US and world generating power - glad to provide that data if you like. And what has any of that to do with climate change? You should check your facts and post reliable sources as I did (my posted data was from NOAA and NASA) - where are yours?
Jan 14, 2023 15:37:45 #
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm glad to see this getting some publicity. I read about this years ago, but nothing since then.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2354492-exxon-scientists-in-the-1970s-accurately-predicted-climate-change/
Lee Raymond - https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/15/business/for-leading-exxon-to-its-riches-144573-a-day.html
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2354492-exxon-scientists-in-the-1970s-accurately-predicted-climate-change/
Lee Raymond - https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/15/business/for-leading-exxon-to-its-riches-144573-a-day.html
Jerry. Have look at all three parts of BBC. BigOil v the world. It’s even worse than you think. John.
Jan 14, 2023 18:20:38 #
I am sorry, but someone here does not know how science works.
Science is a process of making conclusions based on what is understood at the time, and then revising it in the face of better data if its found to be necessary. That is not a weakness, it is a strength. Science is the best tool we have for finding the most probable truth, but the process of "getting there" is definitely a bit messy, and so some who don't understand the process can find it to be alarming. Still, we can do no better.
Scientists used to say, based on early and incomplete information ...
1. That proteins were the source of genetic information. Then the facts said it was DNA, and they revised their theory.
2. That stomach ulcers were caused by over-stress. But then (amazingly) it is learned they are mainly caused by bacteria that live in the stomach. Antibiotics are now a critical part of treatment!
3. That the continents have always been as they are now. But then its learned the sea floor is like a cracked egg shell, with vast under-sea volcanos producing new crust. The continents are slowly moving.
**4. That burning of fossil fuels suspends light-blocking aerosols in the atmosphere, and that our future would be global cooling. But now we know -- with great confidence -- that the atmosphere and oceans are heating up due to rising greenhouse gases. We also know with absolute irrefutable certainty that the only source of these added gases is the burning of fossil fuels. One fact is that the isotopic signature of the added gases matches that of organic life, and the only thing releasing those extra gases is coal, oil, and natural gas which are the organic remains of past life (this one is kind of technical. It normally takes longer to describe).
Cooling by aerosols is an effect, but its not enough to offset the heat-trapping effects of greenhouse gases. Meanwhile no one can deny that winters are milder, fires are insanely worse, the ice is retreating, and hurricane season is longer. Exactly as predicted now.
It is a difficult thing to change ones mind in the face of data that says you are wrong. Everyone experiences resistance when put in that spot. One experiences a physiological reaction that is very much like being attacked. But the current data says that global warming is real and that we are the cause of it. Unfortunately it is the truth.
Science is a process of making conclusions based on what is understood at the time, and then revising it in the face of better data if its found to be necessary. That is not a weakness, it is a strength. Science is the best tool we have for finding the most probable truth, but the process of "getting there" is definitely a bit messy, and so some who don't understand the process can find it to be alarming. Still, we can do no better.
Scientists used to say, based on early and incomplete information ...
1. That proteins were the source of genetic information. Then the facts said it was DNA, and they revised their theory.
2. That stomach ulcers were caused by over-stress. But then (amazingly) it is learned they are mainly caused by bacteria that live in the stomach. Antibiotics are now a critical part of treatment!
3. That the continents have always been as they are now. But then its learned the sea floor is like a cracked egg shell, with vast under-sea volcanos producing new crust. The continents are slowly moving.
**4. That burning of fossil fuels suspends light-blocking aerosols in the atmosphere, and that our future would be global cooling. But now we know -- with great confidence -- that the atmosphere and oceans are heating up due to rising greenhouse gases. We also know with absolute irrefutable certainty that the only source of these added gases is the burning of fossil fuels. One fact is that the isotopic signature of the added gases matches that of organic life, and the only thing releasing those extra gases is coal, oil, and natural gas which are the organic remains of past life (this one is kind of technical. It normally takes longer to describe).
Cooling by aerosols is an effect, but its not enough to offset the heat-trapping effects of greenhouse gases. Meanwhile no one can deny that winters are milder, fires are insanely worse, the ice is retreating, and hurricane season is longer. Exactly as predicted now.
It is a difficult thing to change ones mind in the face of data that says you are wrong. Everyone experiences resistance when put in that spot. One experiences a physiological reaction that is very much like being attacked. But the current data says that global warming is real and that we are the cause of it. Unfortunately it is the truth.
Jan 14, 2023 19:06:03 #
Jan 14, 2023 21:32:12 #
Muddyvalley wrote:
Well said Mark! 
Thank you. But I was hoping this myth about global warming being a hoax could be laid to rest by now.
Jan 14, 2023 22:08:33 #
If you open the link, copy and past the headline, you can read it published by others.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/exxon-chief-makes-144573-per-day-nyt.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/exxon-chief-makes-144573-per-day-nyt.
Jan 14, 2023 23:01:38 #
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
Thank you. But I was hoping this myth about global warming being a hoax could be laid to rest by now.
Me too Mark, but as you have seen (and will likely see again), sadly, it is still alive. It’s one of those discussions that even though I know the facts and arguments that I present likely won’t change any minds, it is such an existential crisis that I just can’t keep quiet. I can understand differences of opinion, but I’m struggling with what appears to be the current anti-science trend among some; as if science is yet another conspiracy, and it makes me truly afraid for our futures.
Jan 15, 2023 07:42:03 #
TriX wrote:
Uninformed misinformation - the vast majority of the world’s scientists and the data says otherwise.
Please don't try to confuse us with facts! 🤣
Jan 15, 2023 07:48:00 #
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
Thank you. But I was hoping this myth about global warming being a hoax could be laid to rest by now.
People believe what they want to believe. Facts don't matter.
The earth is flat.
Men never landed on the moon.
Lizard people live among us.
People have been abducted by aliens.
The Holocaust didn't happen.
Blood inside you is blue and only turns red when it comes into contact with oxygen.
Jan 15, 2023 08:32:36 #
Mr. SONY
Loc: LI, NY
jerryc41 wrote:
People believe what they want to believe. Facts don't matter.
The earth is flat.
Men never landed on the moon.
Lizard people live among us.
People have been abducted by aliens.
The Holocaust didn't happen.
Blood inside you is blue and only turns red when it comes into contact with oxygen.
The earth is flat.
Men never landed on the moon.
Lizard people live among us.
People have been abducted by aliens.
The Holocaust didn't happen.
Blood inside you is blue and only turns red when it comes into contact with oxygen.
I know or have known people who believe or believed in all of those falsehoods.
Did you know that King Kong really did climb the Empire State Building.
Jan 15, 2023 10:45:38 #
TriX wrote:
Just another anti-science / conspiracy rant. So much misinformation here - no one is banning gas stoves, and wind and solar farms are operating successfully all over the US and world generating power - glad to provide that data if you like. And what has any of that to do with climate change? You should check your facts and post reliable sources as I did (my posted data was from NOAA and NASA) - where are yours?
Well, if you surf through the gobbledygook on the internet, and stop drinking the kool aid from the media you will learn a lot, you obviously haven't.
Washington state has already banned gas from new developments and plenty of states as well as the Feds are planning it. DAGS and you will be able to read all about it. First hit I got just now was:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/gas-stove-bans-rundown.
I guess they could be lying, but I heard about it and never been to that site. Bet you could find a bunch of verification of this with little effort.
As for the entire man-made global warming hoax, there are a lot of links that discuss it in scientific detail. I'm not going to do research for you, wouldn't make any difference anyway once you've drunk the Kool-Aid. BTW, NOAA and NASA are FAR from reliable sources of info.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/09/16/climate-change-hoax-or-crime-of-the-century/?sh=18749bb876d3
https://www.amnh.org/explore/ology/earth/ask-a-scientist-about-our-environment/how-did-the-ice-age-end
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/12/climate_challenges.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/01/al-gore-doomsday-clock-expires-climate-change-fanatics-wrong-again/
Jan 15, 2023 10:53:33 #
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
br **4. That burning of fossil fuels suspends lig... (show quote)
BULL!!! This crap has been debunked by most Climatologists and Geologist not funded by corrupt government. Here are 100 reasons why you are wrong:
https://medium.com/@Wiktorite/100-reasons-why-climate-change-is-natural-and-not-man-made-25a3437db053
Jan 15, 2023 10:53:54 #
jerryc41 wrote:
Neither am I, but I was able to read it. Odd.
The NY Times, like the Wall St. Journal, lets you read a couple of articles each month before it then asks you to subscribe.
Jan 15, 2023 11:03:32 #
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
Thank you. But I was hoping this myth about global warming being a hoax could be laid to rest by now.
I thoiught it was laid to rest when the global cooling hoax didn't pan out, and the global warming hoax didn't pan out so they decided to go with climate change hoping the luddites wouldn't notice.
Yes climate changes but no part of it is Anthropogenic.
Jan 15, 2023 11:19:14 #
Mr. SONY wrote:
I know or have known people who believe or believed in all of those falsehoods.
Did you know that King Kong really did climb the Empire State Building.
Did you know that King Kong really did climb the Empire State Building.
Yes, I heard about that. I think there is even film of it - from, like, 1933.
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