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Dec 26, 2022 02:58:29   #
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway Loc: none
 
Back in the Old (film) days I made choices with film speed based on conditions. I would sometimes run low on what I had available and be forced to use a speed not suited for the lighting... and there were disappointments... that was that, and you accepted the results.

A self- imposed mental caution's seems to be embedded in my mind. Just recently I started to allow myself to go beyond comparative film speed limits and I'm finally starting to see what is possible far north of ISO 100... or in reality 800... especially with partial fill flash and ambient light portraiture.

My lack of trust with new sensor technology has been unfounded. I look back at images from a decade ago and find myself wondering why shutter speed was at such a cliff hanging slow setting at times... but there is little noise, aside from motion blur.

My "fear of noise" will disappear with more therapy, especially now that I am seeing greater results. Auto- ISO is a new friend and I am overcoming my fears...

I wonder if younger photographers not exposed to "old technology" limits are having greater success today. Its amazing how far noise control has advance both "in camera" and with editing software.

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Dec 26, 2022 04:17:38   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
If you go back more than ten years your isophobia would have been justified. Cameras have improved and post processing has improved. Auto ISO will re-condition you to think of ISO as the best exposure variable to have floating. M+AutoISO+EC gives you everything that you need for a simple and effective workflow.

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Dec 26, 2022 04:28:32   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
R.G. wrote:
If you go back more than ten years your isophobia would have been justified. Cameras have improved and post processing has improved. Auto ISO will re-condition you to think of ISO as the best exposure variable to have floating. M+AutoISO+EC gives you everything that you need for a simple and effective workflow.


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Dec 26, 2022 05:11:25   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
The need for excellent hi Mpix sensors is a thing of the past...Noise is a thing of the past. I have shown that my advanced, expensive Kodak DC4800, which was a record-breaking 3.1 Mpix raw, produced a JPEG that after postprocessing is competitive with modern digital cameras. The postprocessing was done with the Topaz AI trio, deNoise, Sharpen, and Gigapixel. A cropped JPEG taken with the Kodak DC4800 in 2001 after post will print a huge quality photo.

Please go to the discussion: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-753293-1.html

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Dec 26, 2022 05:27:26   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
R.G. wrote:
If you go back more than ten years your isophobia would have been justified. Cameras have improved and post processing has improved. Auto ISO will re-condition you to think of ISO as the best exposure variable to have floating. M+AutoISO+EC gives you everything that you need for a simple and effective workflow.


I concur and also embrace the improvements!

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Dec 26, 2022 05:56:31   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway wrote:
Back in the Old (film) days I made choices with film speed based on conditions. I would sometimes run low on what I had available and be forced to use a speed not suited for the lighting... and there were disappointments... that was that, and you accepted the results.

A self- imposed mental caution's seems to be embedded in my mind. Just recently I started to allow myself to go beyond comparative film speed limits and I'm finally starting to see what is possible far north of ISO 100... or in reality 800... especially with partial fill flash and ambient light portraiture.

My lack of trust with new sensor technology has been unfounded. I look back at images from a decade ago and find myself wondering why shutter speed was at such a cliff hanging slow setting at times... but there is little noise, aside from motion blur.

My "fear of noise" will disappear with more therapy, especially now that I am seeing greater results. Auto- ISO is a new friend and I am overcoming my fears...

I wonder if younger photographers not exposed to "old technology" limits are having greater success today. Its amazing how far noise control has advance both "in camera" and with editing software.
Back in the Old (film) days I made choices with fi... (show quote)



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Dec 26, 2022 06:28:36   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
I find that Auto ISO is useful provided that a limit is set on how high it can go. That limit for me( using my Panasonic M4/3 G80 16mpx) is an ISO of 1600. This has proved to be sufficient latitude for most of my photography. If something higher could be needed then I prefer to make a decision at the time, with WB etc to consider.
Happy New Year everybody.

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Dec 26, 2022 07:57:43   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
I leave the auto ISO max limit set at ISO 6400 for my crop Fuji and 12,800 for my FF Canon, and I’m not at all afraid to let it go that high - a quick pass with Topaz denoise AI generally makes the nose invisible. The net-net is that with modern sensors and advanced post processing noise reduction, it’s just not that big a consideration for me, I’d rather concentrate on SS and aperture for a sharp image and the DOF I need. The one exception is scenes with high DR. Being aware of the large decrease in DR with high ISO, in those cases, I may use a tripod or flash if feasible to keep the ISO lower than max.

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Dec 26, 2022 07:58:09   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Noise?
There's noise?


(I understand it, I just don't let it get the best of me.)

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Dec 26, 2022 08:10:38   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Longshadow wrote:
Noise?
There's noise?
(I understand it, I just don't let it get the best of me.)


But it might be a photo it gets the best of?

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Dec 26, 2022 08:12:31   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Delderby wrote:
But it might be a photo it gets the best of?

Yes, but it is what it is.....
I look past it and view the photo.

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Dec 26, 2022 11:50:38   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway wrote:
Back in the Old (film) days I made choices with film speed based on conditions. I would sometimes run low on what I had available and be forced to use a speed not suited for the lighting... and there were disappointments... that was that, and you accepted the results.

A self- imposed mental caution's seems to be embedded in my mind. Just recently I started to allow myself to go beyond comparative film speed limits and I'm finally starting to see what is possible far north of ISO 100... or in reality 800... especially with partial fill flash and ambient light portraiture.

My lack of trust with new sensor technology has been unfounded. I look back at images from a decade ago and find myself wondering why shutter speed was at such a cliff hanging slow setting at times... but there is little noise, aside from motion blur.

My "fear of noise" will disappear with more therapy, especially now that I am seeing greater results. Auto- ISO is a new friend and I am overcoming my fears...

I wonder if younger photographers not exposed to "old technology" limits are having greater success today. Its amazing how far noise control has advance both "in camera" and with editing software.
Back in the Old (film) days I made choices with fi... (show quote)


You might want to check my latest post on Flash with Auto ISO: not a good plan!

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Dec 26, 2022 11:54:33   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Delderby wrote:
I find that Auto ISO is useful provided that a limit is set on how high it can go. That limit for me( using my Panasonic M4/3 G80 16mpx) is an ISO of 1600. This has proved to be sufficient latitude for most of my photography. If something higher could be needed then I prefer to make a decision at the time, with WB etc to consider.
Happy New Year everybody.


That is another alternative for my problem described in my recent post about auto ISO and flash. My learning was that the camera sets the ISO before the flash and without recognizing it. I'll probably just turn off auto ISO when using flash but I can also reset my limit on auto ISO.

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Dec 26, 2022 13:19:23   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
IDguy wrote:
You might want to check my latest post on Flash with Auto ISO: not a good plan!


Flash is one of the few circumstances where I don’t use auto ISO - combining ETTL with auto ISO can produce unpredictable and undesirable results - I go full manual with flash.

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Dec 26, 2022 14:36:29   #
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway Loc: none
 
IDguy wrote:
That is another alternative for my problem described in my recent post about auto ISO and flash. My learning was that the camera sets the ISO before the flash and without recognizing it. I'll probably just turn off auto ISO when using flash but I can also reset my limit on auto ISO.


I should have been clearer on auto iso...

I do not use flash and auto iso, but I have in ambient light.

I got really nice results using color flash in the background of a car collection setting, and the owner I lit with a soft box. I set the ambient to compliment the color flash. f8, 1/200th, and iso set at 1000 gave me great results. Normally I would have opened up the lens to lower iso, but I am confident now that I see little noise from the 1DX MK3.

I've always considered iso 100 home base and the safest place to be for quality, but now I see that is not nessesarily.

I did compare my 1DX to an old 5d MK 4 I have, and the noise is dramatically less with the 1DX. Both I tested with iso correction turned off and iso 5000...

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