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Dec 20, 2022 11:41:24   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway wrote:
...but the rest is simply smoke and mirrors...


Smoke and mirrors have never let me down. I don't see having a few more capabilities available as a negative. Of course, I'll read reviews to see what changes there are between models, but an upgrade offers me something that I think I could use, I'll go for it. I tend to keep my cameras for several year, though, and I don't get something new just because it's new.

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Dec 20, 2022 11:44:12   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
Yup!

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Dec 20, 2022 11:45:03   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Smoke and mirrors have never let me down.

Well, you shouldn't smoke, and you should go mirrorless!

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Dec 20, 2022 11:46:06   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
rehess wrote:
No point to burst unless you have something moving / changing that fast. Perhaps some people actually need it. Otherwise it is simply something to boast about. I tend to use the slowest burst speed - and even then not to use it - because I am a deliberate photographer, whose habits date to an older time when I didn’t have a motor drive and didn’t want to waste film. If you want to fill up memory cards, and then dump most of the shots, go ahead.


True, mostly useless for the snapshots you take, but important for many, but the point is it is something that is impossible for a DSLR, which is what this was about.

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Dec 20, 2022 11:47:02   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
True, mostly useless for the snapshots you take, but important for many, but the point is it is something that is impossible for a DSLR, which is what this was about.
if speed is important to you ….

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Dec 20, 2022 11:52:20   #
bsmith52 Loc: Northeast Alabama
 
I started my photography with a Nikon D50 and "upgraded" several times staying in the aps-c genre. I've often gone back through my photos over time.

The camera that nailed the best color and focus on a more consistent and quantity basis is still the D50.

Newer was not always better for me

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Dec 20, 2022 12:23:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Welcoming all the new folks to planet Earth.

It's all marketing folks...

Welcome...get acquainted with the varying cultures.


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Dec 20, 2022 12:54:20   #
srg
 
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway wrote:
I have yet to see any proof "Upgrading" is anything but marketing. If you move to FF from crop or buy a better sensor camera, that will show results, but the rest is simply smoke and mirrors... much like pixel count vs pixel quality.

Driving in a nail with a brand new chrome hammer will not produce any noticeable difference over a used iron tool if you are skilled. The job may go up faster, but it will not change the outcome in the end, unless the hammer was worn out... or you are a poor craftsman.

I have made mistakes in the past, so i am not innocent, but sensor technology is not really that much better quite yet, especially in the past four years. All of the whistles and bells being marketed today are great, and things like live EVF and focus points is really all about efficiency, convenience, and speed.

A 1969 440 Roadrunner came stock with radio delete, hand crank windows, rubber floor mats and beanie hub caps and cost only three grand. Today a new Challenger Hell Cat has every conceivable creature comfort known to man... and will break the bank at more than seventy thousand plus... but that's nothing if you take out a nine year bank loan...

I like what is new and great for a lot of things, but I do see a continuing evolution in the name of corporate needs to sell, sell, sell. The reasons seem logical and compelling in what we are fed, but dumping your 850 for a Z9 will not make much of a difference in my opinion for image outcome. Someone benefiting from you dumping your old gear for the latest and greatest may be the other side of the equation none the less...

My advice is to hang on to your current gear until you have used it beyond its expected life cycle. People used to keep washing machines and dryers for thirty years in the old days. We all invest in gear partly based on how long it will last. I believe we all should spend more time improving our editing knowledge, composition skills, and relaxing, instead of thinking of excuses to empty your pocket book... lenses are an exception.

I have always admired my neighbors who kept their cars and trucks for 10 or fifteen years, but I would somehow ignore this and trade in every two years. I believe there will a time the DLSR will have a resurgence like the old Hasselblad's and their are many current models that may gain in value. According to some, removing the mirror has changed the world of photography forever.

Bit of a pun, I am expecting inferior images that were produced before 2022 to be discarded by most museums and galleries soon for good reason. How dare we consider anything less than absolute tac sharp perfect resolution... damn those dlsr'a and filthy film boxes...

In the end... the 440 Roadrunner would be my first choice for me at the drag strip. A marshmallow smooth Hell Cat is what the advertises say I must have, and I do agree it would be safer and more suited for today's commuting needs...

In the end a shinny new Tesla will gobble up the Hell Cat at any side by side battle. Arguments will persist both ways on what is more technically superior... but
meanwhile my trusty RR will be turning many more heads and have much respect, and though bare bones, for me it is the perfect tool to be competitive. That is if I drive it right and sharpen all of my God given skills...
I have yet to see any proof "Upgrading" ... (show quote)


Most of my life I used the 24 oz framing hammer for just about everything. Then someone let me use his 14 oz Titanium framing hammer that cost almost 4 times as much. I was skeptical because of the cost. But then I tried it and never went back. Plus, after the waffle head wears smooth on the titanium, you can drive 4d finish nails with it as well as 16 d galvos. So yes, I love progress and new things.

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Dec 20, 2022 13:45:42   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
“The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it!” Ansel Adams.

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Dec 20, 2022 14:07:02   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Dennis833 wrote:
“The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it!” Ansel Adams.


And look what happened to Adams. He died.

The rest of us will do the same some day.

So, while you still can, use whatever makes you happy and ignore the naysayers!!!

Enjoy all the holidays.

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Dec 20, 2022 14:35:39   #
jack schade Loc: La Pine Oregon
 


jack

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Dec 20, 2022 14:48:26   #
JBuckley
 
I agree, as well. Just stick with what works for (each individual), and not what
the new and improved Canon, Fugi, or Nikon that comes out of China.

I still use the same Nikon that is 15 years old, but often get an even better shot
with my 10 year old Samsung cell phone.

Most "great photos" are just being in the right place at the right time, and having
your favorite [Camera Obscura] in your hands and a good eye.

Just enjoy the shooting expeditions that you make everyday.
Merry Christmas to all.

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Dec 20, 2022 15:11:24   #
BebuLamar
 
JBuckley wrote:
I agree, as well. Just stick with what works for (each individual), and not what
the new and improved Canon, Fugi, or Nikon that comes out of China.



None of the current Canon EOS-R or Nikon Z or D come out of China.

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Dec 20, 2022 15:42:22   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
I would take the Tesla out of the discussion. I wouldn't contribute a dime to Musk, the ultra rich nutjob.

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Dec 20, 2022 15:45:56   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
I just recently retired a D2X I bought new in 1990(?) It was my only camera for over 20 years. Six years ago we traded in our 1989 Honda Civic, also bought new, for a new Prius. The Civic was 27 years old. The Prius is high tech for a small car, though I didn't opt for everything that was available. The Civic had a radio.

In 1997, I bought a new Ford Ranger. It's still my only truck today. Last year I bought a Nikon Z50, and this year a Z7II. My last cameras until I die...

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