question regarding color in Auto vs Program modes.
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
fredtoo wrote:
Please don't provide the usual answer to what is the difference between Auto and Program modes. I understand the difference of operation, and I prefer the use of P over A for better control. I have recently "graduated" from a D7200 to a D850. The 850 has no Auto mode...no problem, I won't miss it. But I was unhappy with the color and exposure of several shots under certain conditions in P mode, so out of curiosity I performed a very simple experiment:
I grabbed my trusty 7200 and took 2 shots of in indoor still life without flash. One in Auto and the next in P mode. I expected them to be pretty much the same, but they were not. Surprisingly the shot made in Auto mode was had color and exposure much closer to the actual subject, and I think anyone looking at the two shots would agree.
So I'm left wondering why, and wondering what would need to be done in P mode to match the color accuracy of the shot made in Auto? In my mind any difference between the two should have been in exposure, but not color. seems to me that any of the several different combinations of exposure and shutter speed that I could have selected should not have any significant effect on color. Am I wrong about that?
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This is the very reason professionals and serious photographers the world over shoot only in manual.
This is what happens when you let the CAMERA make decisions for you.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
fredtoo wrote:
Please don't provide the usual answer to what is the difference between Auto and Program modes. I understand the difference of operation, and I prefer the use of P over A for better control. I have recently "graduated" from a D7200 to a D850. The 850 has no Auto mode...no problem, I won't miss it. But I was unhappy with the color and exposure of several shots under certain conditions in P mode, so out of curiosity I performed a very simple experiment:
I grabbed my trusty 7200 and took 2 shots of in indoor still life without flash. One in Auto and the next in P mode. I expected them to be pretty much the same, but they were not. Surprisingly the shot made in Auto mode was had color and exposure much closer to the actual subject, and I think anyone looking at the two shots would agree.
So I'm left wondering why, and wondering what would need to be done in P mode to match the color accuracy of the shot made in Auto? In my mind any difference between the two should have been in exposure, but not color. seems to me that any of the several different combinations of exposure and shutter speed that I could have selected should not have any significant effect on color. Am I wrong about that?
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I’ve been told there are differences of how the raw data is developed into JPEG between ‘Auto’ mode and ‘P’ mode. I have never used ‘Auto’ - because I like to have more control - but that would certainly be one difference.
The subjective muse is a hard muse to catch. One suggestion here was a good one - use the exact same settings in P Mode as the camera used in AUTO. Then judge.
You are on your second camera (at least).
Just shoot in 'M'...it's past time for you.
fredtoo wrote:
Please don't provide the usual answer to what is the difference between Auto and Program modes. I understand the difference of operation, and I prefer the use of P over A for better control. I have recently "graduated" from a D7200 to a D850. The 850 has no Auto mode...no problem, I won't miss it. But I was unhappy with the color and exposure of several shots under certain conditions in P mode, so out of curiosity I performed a very simple experiment:
I grabbed my trusty 7200 and took 2 shots of in indoor still life without flash. One in Auto and the next in P mode. I expected them to be pretty much the same, but they were not. Surprisingly the shot made in Auto mode was had color and exposure much closer to the actual subject, and I think anyone looking at the two shots would agree.
So I'm left wondering why, and wondering what would need to be done in P mode to match the color accuracy of the shot made in Auto? In my mind any difference between the two should have been in exposure, but not color. seems to me that any of the several different combinations of exposure and shutter speed that I could have selected should not have any significant effect on color. Am I wrong about that?
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Sounds like you need to white balance. When I am shooting I always PRE white balance. Never used AUTO white balance.
'Auto' mode likely also has control over the 'Picture Control' which could have even more effect than White Balance in color.
Canisdirus wrote:
You are on your second camera (at least).
Just shoot in 'M'...it's past time for you.
If he shoots M he would be much less happy with the results. He shot AUTO and he was happy. Now switched to PROGRAM because his new camera doesn't have AUTO mode and his isn't happy.
I think the different is in the picture settings the camera chose in Auto mode. Need to find out how it set.
BboH
Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
Select the Menu button, then the Photo Shooting Menu, then Set Picture Control. You will find a multitude of adjustments which will do what you want
Tried it on mine, they’re the same.
Settings on 7200 must be different from 850. Style, meter, something. They should be close.
Good luck, but the 850 is a much better camera and the 7200 is your backup now👍👍👍
BebuLamar wrote:
If he shoots M he would be much less happy with the results. He shot AUTO and he was happy. Now switched to PROGRAM because his new camera doesn't have AUTO mode and his isn't happy.
Why would anyone be less happy shooting manual?
It's a natural progression of skill and control.
And it is easy after it clicks in your head.
Sounds like a commercial for raw. I find that just tinkering a little bit with white balance can make the world of difference.
But if you find post processing to be a chore and frustrating then by all means let the camera do its thing. The camera manufacturers have done a fantastic job of processing before spitting out the compressed .jpg.
I can’t understand why one would do raw + JPEG especially for important photos only. Why press the button for predetermined culls?
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
Jack 13088 wrote:
I can’t understand why one would do raw + JPEG especially for important photos only. Why press the button for predetermined culls?
Well, primarily, I don’t always know before I press the shutter whether I will need to “rescue” the photo by processing the ‘raw’ file.
White balance will affect the results if not set correctly. Try this, using a grey card, shoot on Auto 1 and then shoot using the grey card setting. I think you will like the card settings much more "real" and consistent. Colors will be more consistent.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
ricosha wrote:
White balance will affect the results if not set correctly. Try this, using a grey card, shoot on Auto 1 and then shoot using the grey card setting. I think you will like the card settings much more "real" and consistent. Colors will be more consistent.
my biggest problem is with “levels”, especially natural lighting, when there is serious variation. This morning, for example, I watched as our cat lunged for a bird just outside the glass door to our deck. {I wasn’t sure whether your reply was to the OP or to me, and it wasn’t configured as “Quote Reply”}
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