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Dec 19, 2022 07:12:16   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
David Martin wrote:
Don't forget that plastic bags, invented in Sweden in 1959, were strongly advocated by environmentalists as a replacement for paper bags in order "to save the planet" by "saving our trees."
And now here we are, banning plastic bags in order to "save the planet."
And we see parallel misguided campaigns to save the planet underway in our time.


"Good" and "bad" interchange for most things about every 10 years, just as "settled science"!!! And yet, so many people allow themselves to be controlled mindlessly by them.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Dec 19, 2022 07:17:01   #
Tdearing Loc: Rockport, TX
 
Plastic bags and water bottles should both be banned. Living in a marina I am constantly netting both from the boat slip and beach. Plastic lobby seems to own our Washington, D.C. politicians.

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Dec 19, 2022 07:22:41   #
hippi Loc: Sedalia MO
 
we can have plastic just make it from HEMP

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Dec 19, 2022 07:55:19   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
In NY, stores no longer provide plastic bags for your purchases. The first time I saw stores using plastic bags was 1974 in England. We had them here for a long time, but I'm glad to see that they're gone.

However, I do miss them at times. I always kept a supply on hand for use around the house. I could buy them online, but I don't need that many, and I don't want to encourage their production.

I was in a store last week, and the old man in front of me asked for a plastic bag. The clerk said that they hadn't used plastic bags in four years. The old man got furious and started screaming. Don't be that kind of ignorant, abusive old man/woman. It was funny, though. He didn't realize that he had gotten his last plastic bag four years ago, and he got furious because they weren't available. For most of his life, plastic bags didn't even exist.
In NY, stores no longer provide plastic bags for y... (show quote)


They outlawed traditional plastic bags in Mt. Pleasant, SC (across the Cooper River from Charleston) but then allowed stores to use heavy-weight plastic bags that can be reused up to 20 times. When we stay in our house there, we bring back a supply of those from the shopping trips we make while there.

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Dec 19, 2022 08:37:32   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Longshadow wrote:
My hit rate for remembering to take sacks into the store is maybe 33%.
But I'm trying to get better....


I think I'm around 25%, but I only shop for a few items. We do have about 15 bags in the trunk of our car. I seem to remember that when I'm grabbing a qt of 1/2 & 1/2. Many times I'm juggling items in my arms and hoping I don't make a fool of myself walking back to the car.
Mark

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Dec 19, 2022 08:52:12   #
BebuLamar
 
Bridges wrote:
They outlawed traditional plastic bags in Mt. Pleasant, SC (across the Cooper River from Charleston) but then allowed stores to use heavy-weight plastic bags that can be reused up to 20 times. When we stay in our house there, we bring back a supply of those from the shopping trips we make while there.


Yeah and the company I work for makes more money making the heavy weight plastic bags as we sell them by the pounds. Stores charge money for them so they actually make some extra money. The customers tend to not bringing the bags back for reuse so .... you know how that goes.

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Dec 19, 2022 09:02:35   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Stores generally charge a nickel for a paper bag, and they encourage you to bring your own reusable bags. That's what I do. I keep a bunch of canvas bags folded flat in the car. When I place a food order online and pick it up at the store, they don't seem to charge a nickel for each of the dozen bags I get - maybe just $0.40. I save the bags and put paper garbage in them. Then they go into the wood stove. It costs $6.00 to bring a large plastic bag of garbage to the dump, so I recycle and burn as much as I can.
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In CT stores charge ten cents for a paper bag. It's not an option. That price is required by state law. (There exist stores that will discount your order by ten cents per bag thereby giving you a free bag. It helps their bottom line because people go to those stores more than an equivalent store that charges the ten cents).

This doesn't eliminate plastic bags. The thin bags you get on a roll in the vegetable section of the supermarket are exempt, so they are still in use. If you get a lot of vegetables you probably get a bunch of those bags in every bag of groceries from the checkout. Also, in the name of sanitation and repeatability, most everything is wrapped in plastic. People want to see what they're buying so you can't wrap it in paper.

If the goal is to reduce plastic use in the environment, the hardware store should be a target. Everything is packaged in plastic, and the packaging is frequently thick enough to make it difficult to remove the purchase without damage.

Our transfer station charges $75/year for a permit. Then I can dispose of as much as will fit in my car, as often as I want. Bulky items, brush, construction debris I'm allowed 300 lb per day and I have to go over the scales.

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Dec 19, 2022 09:16:54   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
In CT stores charge ten cents for a paper bag. It's not an option. That price is required by state law. (There exist stores that will discount your order by ten cents per bag thereby giving you a free bag. It helps their bottom line because people go to those stores more than an equivalent store that charges the ten cents).

This doesn't eliminate plastic bags. The thin bags you get on a roll in the vegetable section of the supermarket are exempt, so they are still in use. If you get a lot of vegetables you probably get a bunch of those bags in every bag of groceries from the checkout. Also, in the name of sanitation and repeatability, most everything is wrapped in plastic. People want to see what they're buying so you can't wrap it in paper.

If the goal is to reduce plastic use in the environment, the hardware store should be a target. Everything is packaged in plastic, and the packaging is frequently thick enough to make it difficult to remove the purchase without damage.

Our transfer station charges $75/year for a permit. Then I can dispose of as much as will fit in my car, as often as I want. Bulky items, brush, construction debris I'm allowed 300 lb per day and I have to go over the scales.
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In NJ, only three options! You either bring a bag or buy a reusable one for $1 or of course, carry the items out and get a free practice session for the juggling contest. If I keep forgetting a bag, I have a legitimate chance at first place.
Mark

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Dec 19, 2022 09:41:33   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
When I forget to bring a bag I use a cart to carry stuff to the car and pack it loose there. I usually have a blanket in the car so it can keep stuff from rolling around.

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Dec 19, 2022 09:44:27   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
markngolf wrote:
I think I'm around 25%, but I only shop for a few items. We do have about 15 bags in the trunk of our car. I seem to remember that when I'm grabbing a qt of 1/2 & 1/2. Many times I'm juggling items in my arms and hoping I don't make a fool of myself walking back to the car.
Mark
I think I'm around 25%, but I only shop for a few ... (show quote)


I tried juggling. Ten times is my limit.

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Dec 19, 2022 10:00:34   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
jerryc41 wrote:
In NY, stores no longer provide plastic bags for your purchases. The first time I saw stores using plastic bags was 1974 in England. We had them here for a long time, but I'm glad to see that they're gone.

However, I do miss them at times. I always kept a supply on hand for use around the house. I could buy them online, but I don't need that many, and I don't want to encourage their production.

I was in a store last week, and the old man in front of me asked for a plastic bag. The clerk said that they hadn't used plastic bags in four years. The old man got furious and started screaming. Don't be that kind of ignorant, abusive old man/woman. It was funny, though. He didn't realize that he had gotten his last plastic bag four years ago, and he got furious because they weren't available. For most of his life, plastic bags didn't even exist.
In NY, stores no longer provide plastic bags for y... (show quote)


I like the plastic bags primarily because I can carry at least a half dozen of them full of groceries to or from my car by hanging them on my forearms and I don’t have to mess with getting a cart into the already full cart corral. Try that with paper bags. I do take my used bags to the recycle bins at the grocery store.

Stan

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Dec 19, 2022 10:09:59   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
StanMac wrote:
I like the plastic bags primarily because I can carry at least a half dozen of them full of groceries to or from my car by hanging them on my forearms and I don’t have to mess with getting a cart into the already full cart corral. Try that with paper bags. I do take my used bags to the recycle bins at the grocery store.

Stan


Paper bags tear easily, and if something is the least bit moist, disintegrate! Plastic bags are ever so much better, functionally. Here, the grocery stores sell a good quality - many times reusable - fabric bag, imprinted with their name/logo, of course, for a very low price, the equivalent of about 20 cents US.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Dec 19, 2022 10:15:14   #
Dannj
 
I bought a box of plastic trash bags and the cashier asked me if I wanted a bag (plastic). It just seemed weird.

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Dec 19, 2022 10:28:10   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
In NY, stores no longer provide plastic bags for your purchases. The first time I saw stores using plastic bags was 1974 in England. We had them here for a long time, but I'm glad to see that they're gone.

However, I do miss them at times. I always kept a supply on hand for use around the house. I could buy them online, but I don't need that many, and I don't want to encourage their production.

I was in a store last week, and the old man in front of me asked for a plastic bag. The clerk said that they hadn't used plastic bags in four years. The old man got furious and started screaming. Don't be that kind of ignorant, abusive old man/woman. It was funny, though. He didn't realize that he had gotten his last plastic bag four years ago, and he got furious because they weren't available. For most of his life, plastic bags didn't even exist.
In NY, stores no longer provide plastic bags for y... (show quote)


Where I live most of the grocery stores no longer keep paper bags on hand. I used to ask for them before, but now re-use the plastic ones as often as I can. Better for keeping bottles of liquids in that might leak.

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Dec 19, 2022 10:37:47   #
srg
 
Longshadow wrote:
My hit rate for remembering to take sacks into the store is maybe 33%.
But I'm trying to get better....


Ha ha. you got me by a few percentage points. lol

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