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Nov 26, 2022 11:23:24   #
BebuLamar
 
TriX wrote:
Semantics. We could go to the trouble to say manual shutter and aperture and auto ISO, but I’m pretty sure everyone knows what “manual plus auto ISO” means.


But it's confusing if one said he/she uses the EC in manual mode it makes big different whether auto ISO is on or off.

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Nov 26, 2022 11:24:05   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
luvmypets wrote:
What I would like to find out from all of you is why you use the dial as opposed to just changing the aperture, shutter or ISO? ...Dodie


Wow - 5 pages and counting ! ! ......It would seem that your question really has two parts - the first being - is there a reason for coming off fully manual ! ....For ME there is. If I am shooting wild life moving in and out of shadows or there are fast moving clouds I will move off fully manual to auto ISO because the camera can make the exposure changes FASTER and probably more accurately than I can - so it is mostly a matter of SPEED.

The second part is - Why move the exposure comp off of zero ?? As others have mentioned, MY camera's/lens' exposure is happier being 1/2 - 2/3 stop UNDER the normally measured "correct" exposure - plus, I like to preserve highlights.....Also, if your subject or backround is brighter or darker than "normal" middle gray as in shooting BIF's or birds/animals with a bright water backround, then I would go to the plus side of compensation. Conversely, If I were shooting a Black Bear fairly close, I would go to a minus comp so he really looks black.
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Nov 26, 2022 11:25:15   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
mwsilvers wrote:
If you are shouting entirely manually, including ISO you not only don't need exposure compensation, you can't use it. Exposure compensation is intended for those shooting in Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority, Program mode and Manual mode with auto ISO.



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Nov 26, 2022 11:28:36   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
dougbev3 wrote:
.....I found that you can make daylight night , and night daylight....


The most frequent use of EC is to stop highlights from being blown, but it can also be used to stop underexposure (which can result in noise if the shadows have to be significantly brightened).

In either case the usual cause is that the camera's metering has been "fooled" into making an inappropriate exposure. A common scenario is when the majority of the scene being photographed is dark (or just not bright) but there are small, bright highlights that you don't want blown. The camera will meter for the predominance of dark areas causing the exposure to be too high, resulting in blown highlights. Negative exposure compensation can in that situation be used to lower the exposure and save the highlights from being blown.

Knowing how much negative exposure to use is something that has to be learned, and it will vary depending on the situation. It's a bit counterintuitive because if a scene is predominantly dark (except for small highlights) the natural impulse will be to brighten the exposure, but that is exactly what will result in blown highlights. You have to learn how to gauge how vulnerable the highlights are, knowing that small highlights will affect the camera's metering very little whereas large dark areas will be the predominant influence on the metering. So it comes down to how small and how bright the highlights are and how large and how dark the darker areas are.

The good news is that matrix metering, evaluative metering (or whatever your camera calls it) will serve you well most of the time, but it can be caught out in extreme situations (which you need to learn to spot). A camera with good dynamic range will be less susceptible to blown highlights.

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Nov 26, 2022 11:37:28   #
BebuLamar
 
The EC dial has become the only exposure control today. So much so that it has to be right under the right thumb.

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Nov 26, 2022 11:42:58   #
photoman43
 
Architect1776 wrote:
There is no such thing as manual and auto ISO.
you are in auto mode. Absolutely no difference between it and auto aperture or auto shutter. You set one parameter to auto and fix the others.
Auto anything by all definitions is auto and not manual.


There are cameras that do allow Manual and Auto ISO. See this link for an explanation on how it workd on some to most Nikon bodies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFLxYMLsv8I

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Nov 26, 2022 11:46:21   #
BebuLamar
 
photoman43 wrote:
There are cameras that do allow Manual and Auto ISO. See this link for an explanation on how it workd on some to most Nikon bodies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFLxYMLsv8I


Don't most of the current ones allow that but Architect said if you still have auto ISO on it's not manual. Besides the EC works quite differently when M is selected and the auto ISO is on or off. In fact some cameras don't allow you to use the EC is the camera is on M and auto ISO is off.

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Nov 26, 2022 11:51:29   #
MikeT46 Loc: Hermantown,MN
 
I find using EV compensation useful in wildlife, especially birds in flight, situations, especially if I am switching scenes quickly, including panning to follow and animal. I am using a mirrorless Nikon, and the lenses have a programmable dial on them. I like to shoot in Aperture Priority and Auto ISO, and with my left hand on the lens I can adjust the lens dial programmed for EV Compensation while I am watching the scene in the viewfinder. In these cases I have already chosen the Aperture I think is going to be best for the average situation, and then as I watch the scene change I recognize when I think I am going to blow out highlights on the animal I am focused on and adjust the EV on the move (no time to look at setting numbers and figure out best suite of settings) just reacting to what I see in the viewfinder. If I do not want ISO to slip higher than a certain amount while in auto the camera permits setting limits to its range.

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Nov 26, 2022 11:53:48   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
R.G. wrote:
It's often said that if you're shooting in fully Manual mode you don't need the EC dial because you can use the camera's meter scale. However, doing it that way requires that you offset the exposure by the right number of segments on the scale, which takes a fair amount of care and attention. Not only that, in any sort of dynamic situation (which will include any camera movement) the metering will be constantly changing so it will be up to you to keep the exposure on target.

On the other hand, using the EC dial to enter an EC value means that you only have to keep the metering centered on the large middle segment, which is visually and mentally simpler and easier.

Simpler than either of these methods is to use M+AutoISO+EC. You dial in the required value of EC and the camera does all of the tracking for you automatically, using its own metering.

A typical methodology would be to decide at the outset whether EC is required (and if so, how much) then decide on an aperture value (which is determined by the required DOF, how far away the intended focus point is and the lens's focal length), then it is a simple matter of playing off shutter speed against ISO (looking for the lowest ISO that you can use while keeping the shutter speed sufficiently fast). The only thing you have to keep an eye on is the ISO bottoming out or maxing out (the same could be said for shutter speed but that's far less likely).

M+AutoISO+EC is simple, intuitive, fast and the least distracting alternative. Plus it builds on skills that you will already be using. The only skill you may need to develop or fine tune is being able to spot when EC will be needed.

In most (but not all) situations, once you've determined the EC requirements they will be unlikely to change suddenly. In most situations the same could be said about the aperture setting, which makes shutter speed the best variable for playing off against ISO.

All of the above depends on your camera being able to provide both EC and Auto ISO while in Manual mode. Not all cameras can (just the good ones ).
It's often said that if you're shooting in fully M... (show quote)



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Nov 26, 2022 11:55:40   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
photoman43 wrote:
There are cameras that do allow Manual and Auto ISO....


Architect1776 is somewhat pedantically stating that the "Auto" part of "Manual + Auto ISO" indicates that it isn't true manual. The simple fact is that any mode which uses the camera's own metering to determine the exposure is letting the camera make "decisions" for us. What EC enables us to do is overrule the camera's decisions regarding the exposure level.

M+AutoISO+EC gives full control over the exposure so it would be wrong to think that the camera is forcing its decisions on us.

Even with just M+AutoISO you control the main exposure variables (aperture and shutter speed), allowing the camera to provide you with the third variable (ISO) as determined by the camera's metering. The choice then becomes whether you want the camera to determine the exposure level or not. If the answer's "no", use EC to overrule the camera's decision.

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Nov 26, 2022 11:57:44   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
frankraney wrote:


Thanks.

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Nov 26, 2022 12:23:22   #
mffox Loc: Avon, CT
 
I use it occasionally, when I want to "play around" with another look.

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Nov 26, 2022 12:55:59   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
wdross wrote:
I shoot almost exclusively with Program Mode and Exposure Compensation. I first set the exposure compensation to produce the image that appears properly exposed and/or proper highlights or shadow details. This is usually -0.3 exposure compensation about 90% of the time (camera starting point is set there). This can be 0 to 5 seconds depending how long I check the image. Then I check the aperture/shutter ratio to see whether I need to change it to meet the needs of the scene (a single top dial). This can be 0 to 5 seconds more. If I have any doubts whether or not I have covered the highlights or shadow details properly, a rotation of the exposure compensation dial, which surrounds the shutter button, easily takes care of any wanted or needed changes. Most of the time I can easily get off 5 to 10 different exposures in about as many seconds. Or take my time watching the action for needed changes.

In my opinion, Program Mode and Exposure Compensation is the easiest way to control the image. There will be times when tighter control of aperture, shutter, and ISO will be needed and other modes will be a better option. But until they are needed, I will be shooting Program Mode and Exposure Compensation most of the time.
I shoot almost exclusively with Program Mode and E... (show quote)


👍👍👍 Same here... so easy and don't have to move my eye from the viewfinder

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Nov 26, 2022 13:01:00   #
User ID
 
TriX wrote:
Semantics. We could go to the trouble to say manual shutter and aperture and auto ISO, but I’m pretty sure everyone knows what “manual plus auto ISO” means.

Yes semantics, as in "whats in a name ?".
So consider the source. His chosen name tells you its not worth the bother.

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Nov 26, 2022 13:41:11   #
reverand
 
If you're shooting, say, a snow scene, or a bird in flight that is backlit, or white clouds (with no landscape), your camera will automatically underexpose, because it's seeing lots of bright white, which it assumes is neutral gray. Adding a stop or two will give you a better exposure (it will push what the camera thought was gray up the scale to white--which is where you want it to be).

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