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Dec 1, 2022 16:24:07   #
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Canisdirus wrote:
Same thing.

It's a necessary step for all folks who are trying to become photographers.

You are still misleading them.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching the triangle to beginners.

There is way too much wrong with it.

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Dec 1, 2022 16:25:21   #
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Wallen wrote:
An unusual point of view.
How so? What is the reason?

Reason: Lemmings are not overly bright.

Want the truth ? Avoid well worn paths.

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Dec 1, 2022 17:37:24   #
Carbonman Loc: Vancouver BC
 
dbrugger25 wrote:
I like to photograph birds in flight. Because they are in the forground of a bright sky, the automatic exposure, without compensation mostly gets it wrong. Even spot exposure mostly fails because they haven't yet incorporated subject tracking into spot exposure. I need to use exposure compensation to get the bird properly exposed.

My Canon R5 does have fairly good focus tracking and eye tracking. I wish the spot exposure could be coupled to the focus point but it isn't. Perhaps it will be in a future firmware upgrade or the new upcoming version of the R5.
I like to photograph birds in flight. Because the... (show quote)


This is why I have the rear wheel set as the exposure compensation adjustment on all of my Olympus bodies. It makes quickly tuning the exposure a snap.

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Dec 1, 2022 22:52:38   #
Canisdirus
 
User ID wrote:
There is way too much wrong with it.


Empty comment...as usual.

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Dec 1, 2022 23:25:02   #
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Canisdirus wrote:
You said the triangle is useless.
So did the troll...

It's not.


There is everything wrong with it.
It doesnt take a 12 page UHH fiasco to reveal the obvious. But the herd mind is blind to anything simple and obvious.

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Dec 1, 2022 23:27:02   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
Dodie;
Because I can, and it helps to make my photos better, and I need all the help I can get!

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Dec 1, 2022 23:45:24   #
Canisdirus
 
User ID wrote:
There is everything wrong with it.
It doesnt take a 12 page UHH fiasco to reveal the obvious. But the herd mind is blind to anything simple and obvious.


More empty content...as usual.

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Dec 2, 2022 01:30:45   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
petrochemist wrote:
This is incorrect. The variable of the intensity of light is very much relevant, which makes three....


The subject being discussed in that post was controlled variables. How often is the brightness of the scene a controlled variable? In fact to be more specific the subject being discussed was in-camera controlled variables.

The first point I raised was the use of the term "exposure". Through common usage that term has come to be used in reference to the brightness of the resulting image. Who are we to say whether that's right or wrong? From a technical point of view, "exposure" refers to the amount of captured light, but that's relevant only so far as it affects the brightness of the resulting SOOC image.

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Dec 2, 2022 07:47:53   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
R.G. wrote:
The subject being discussed in that post was controlled variables. How often is the brightness of the scene a controlled variable? In fact to be more specific the subject being discussed was in-camera controlled variables.

The first point I raised was the use of the term "exposure". Through common usage that term has come to be used in reference to the brightness of the resulting image. Who are we to say whether that's right or wrong? From a technical point of view, "exposure" refers to the amount of captured light, but that's relevant only so far as it affects the brightness of the resulting SOOC image.
The subject being discussed in that post was contr... (show quote)


Lighting is frequently a controlled variable. Outdoors it might mean waiting for a cloud to move, or sun set...
Indoors or with portraits/macro lighting is usually controllable by flash or by using reflectors/shades. If shooting sports the controllability of light is a very different matter.

As far as photography goes however it is a critical variable whether controllable or not. It determines the range of settings that are usable for the shot, in same way the lens & camera control the range of options for aperture & shutter speed.

Some of my lenses don't have adjustable apertures, and indeed there are old cameras with only a single shutter speed - is the fact you may not be able to control them any reason to rule out aperture/shutter speed as variables?

Three variables (controlled or not) interrelate to determine the actual amount of light reaching the film/sensor during the shot.

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Dec 2, 2022 11:05:40   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
petrochemist wrote:
...Three variables (controlled or not) interrelate to determine the actual amount of light reaching the film/sensor during the shot.


For some reason the camera manufacturers have unanimously opted for having aperture, shutter speed and ISO as the three interrelated (and controlled) variables for achieving the desired exposure. The fact that they are inextricably interrelated lends further weight to the suggestion that ISO should be seen as one of the exposure variables. But as I said, the preferred meaning of the terminology depends on who is using it.

The exposure triangle provides the basis for controlling the exposure, and while flash, studio lighting etc provide a degree of control over the brightness of the scene being photographed, those situations are the exception rather than the rule. Why then would any camera manufacturer want to consider any option other than the exposure triangle for determining the camera's basic method of operation? And is any beginner going to benefit from being taught anything other than the exposure triangle?

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Dec 2, 2022 15:23:43   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
petrochemist wrote:
Lighting is frequently a controlled variable. Outdoors it might mean waiting for a cloud to move, or sun set...
Indoors or with portraits/macro lighting is usually controllable by flash or by using reflectors/shades. If shooting sports the controllability of light is a very different matter.

As far as photography goes however it is a critical variable whether controllable or not. It determines the range of settings that are usable for the shot, in same way the lens & camera control the range of options for aperture & shutter speed.

Some of my lenses don't have adjustable apertures, and indeed there are old cameras with only a single shutter speed - is the fact you may not be able to control them any reason to rule out aperture/shutter speed as variables?

Three variables (controlled or not) interrelate to determine the actual amount of light reaching the film/sensor during the shot.
Lighting is frequently a controlled variable. Outd... (show quote)


I had own cameras without any shutter & aperture adjustment. All I can do is wait for a good light or have a flash on. In essence, I can only adjust the light or what Film speed to use. That's why I invented the carboard box light meter. If that lightmeter shows 3 lines and i have an ASA 200 film, i'm good to shoot.

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Dec 2, 2022 23:01:05   #
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Canisdirus wrote:
More empty content...as usual.


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Dec 2, 2022 23:23:38   #
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R.G. wrote:
For some reason the camera manufacturers have unanimously opted for having aperture, shutter speed and ISO as the three interrelated (and controlled) variables for achieving the desired exposure. The fact that they are inextricably interrelated lends further weight to the suggestion that ISO should be seen as one of the exposure variables. But as I said, the preferred meaning of the terminology depends on who is using it.

The exposure triangle provides the basis for controlling the exposure, and while flash, studio lighting etc provide a degree of control over the brightness of the scene being photographed, those situations are the exception rather than the rule. Why then would any camera manufacturer want to consider any option other than the exposure triangle for determining the camera's basic method of operation? And is any beginner going to benefit from being taught anything other than the exposure triangle?
For some reason the camera manufacturers have unan... (show quote)

There really is a triangle but no one on UHH ever notices. Hogsters are too busy parroting each other.

The three corners are Exposure, Illumination, and Sensitivity.

Over there at the Exposure corner, cameras provide two adjustable user controls, F/stop and Time.

Illumination can be found on hand, augmented or attenuated, or provided artificially.

Sensitivity is manipulated either electronically or chemically.

A change at any one corner requires a complementary change at either or both of the other corners.

This is plain as day. It doesnt come from bogus "educators" selling books, videos, and clicks ... and who are the source material for the UHH flock of parrots.

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Dec 3, 2022 02:21:50   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
User ID wrote:
....Illumination can be found on hand, augmented or attenuated, or provided artificially....


You're not the first to mention that the brightness of a scene can change. I would describe that as stating the obvious. And how often is it a controllable variable? It seems a bit superfluous to mention things that are not examples of controlled exposure variables (which is the subject of the thread). In the interest of simplicity I think it would be a good idea to stick to the in-camera functions under discussion.

Your alternative triangle has technical interest and I note that your use of the term "exposure" is a reference to the amount of captured light, which is just one of the possible uses of that term. To avoid another round of cross-purposes and misunderstandings I'd like to point out that for many people, "exposure" refers to the brightness of the SOOC image and that is how they are used to thinking about it - which I find perfectly understandable. Tech-heads are entitled to their use of that term and camera users are entitled to their own use of that term. Calling either one right or wrong seems a bit superfluous.

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