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Sep 19, 2022 12:43:22   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
DWU2 wrote:
I'm not sure what kind of creative photo tools you're seeking - there's a number of types within this genre. However, two that I like are the NIK Collection, which includes the incomparable Silver Efex (b&w), Color Efex, Analog Efex, HDR Efex, and several others. Another product I like is Dynamic Auto Painter Pro, which produces painterly effects in the manner of many artists and styles, so you get styles such as Monet, realism, Van Gogh, Raphaelites, impressionist, acrylic, watercolor, azo, tempera, Cezanne, chalk, John Singer Sargent, felt tip, carving, LeRoy Neiman, pastels, pencil, and many others. It's a lot of fun.
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Pc native, tries to run on Mac (intel) with the Wine emulator which is in my opinion margínal.

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Sep 19, 2022 13:08:25   #
bebop22 Loc: New York City
 
I agree with Lucian. On1 RAW 2022 is a nice powerful editing app. Give it a try.

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Sep 19, 2022 13:56:55   #
mrgarci Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
Thanks for the question! Someone did ask and I answered as follows: My computer is a Windows 10 desktop with Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz with 32 GB memory and an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 graphics card.

I hope that helps with your recommendation.

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Sep 19, 2022 14:11:01   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Creativity is one of those over used terms that means different things to different people. I would be remiss if I didn't also suggest DxO's PhotoLab 5 Elite along with DxO FilmPack 6.2 Elite and DxO's Nik Collection 5. While I own licenses to several other software titles nothing provides more creativity choices than DxO software.

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Sep 19, 2022 14:11:52   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
I’m in the same boat as the original poster but rather on M1 Mac Mini not PC. Topaz Studio 2 was a paid product which from the answers above most people didn’t know what it did. It allowed on to do creative edits to look more like paintings, etc. While it has some editor functions I am not sure it is a raw editor (topaz never said) nor does it have a Data Asset Management. I use it as a plugin to Photoshop/Lightroom Classic and On1 Raw 2022. I’ve had numerous frustrating discussions with Topaz informing them they are both losing a lucrative market and violating US laws regarding support of paid applications.

So I have too been looking for the next solution and while you could do some of these features with the adobe suite or On1 it would take many more steps than what I can do with Topaz Studio 2 or even Topaz Studio which I still run (actually faster than Topaz Studio 2 on my M1 Mac Mini). So those suggestions are not what I am looking for or what the poster is as well I would guess. And the people saying topaz AI has any elements of Topaz Studio 2 are incorrect. The ’new’ app is just a dumbing down of the current Topaz Sharpen AI, Topaz Gigapixel and Topaz DeNoise. It has absolutely no creative features nor does it borrow anything from Topaz Studio 2.

so to answer the actual question - I have looked Pastello and Impresso Pro from JixPix. They do a lot of the functions of Topaz Studio 2. It is a bit expensive at $100 for the 2 but it does do a lot Topaz Studio 2 didn’t do with what seems to be more controls with brush strokes etc. It runs on both pc and Mac. I am just testing it. One issue I have so far is it doesn’t work correctly as a plugin for On1 which is a big issue for me as On1 drops the plugin as a layer rather than the approach Photoshop and Lightroom Classic does which just creates a new image. With Topaz Studio 2 I can use it from the raw processor as a layer with much more control.

I looked at the other application mentioned in this stream but as I reported it doesn’t work on Macs correctly. It might be a good pc solution though.

any other pertinent suggestions would be appreciated.

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Sep 19, 2022 14:13:31   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
mrgarci wrote:
Thanks for the question! Someone did ask and I answered as follows: My computer is a Windows 10 desktop with Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz with 32 GB memory and an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 graphics card.

I hope that helps with your recommendation.


Your setup should run any current software quite well. Do you have an SSD drive? What size and type of monitor are you using?

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Sep 19, 2022 14:39:31   #
mrgarci Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Your setup should run any current software quite well. Do you have an SSD drive? What size and type of monitor are you using?


I have several SSDs and my monitor is a 27" IPS UHD display calibrated with datacolor/SpyderX Pro.

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Sep 19, 2022 14:55:40   #
mrgarci Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
Ednsb wrote:
I’m in the same boat as the original poster but rather on M1 Mac Mini not PC. Topaz Studio 2 was a paid product which from the answers above most people didn’t know what it did. It allowed on to do creative edits to look more like paintings, etc. While it has some editor functions I am not sure it is a raw editor (topaz never said) nor does it have a Data Asset Management. I use it as a plugin to Photoshop/Lightroom Classic and On1 Raw 2022. I’ve had numerous frustrating discussions with Topaz informing them they are both losing a lucrative market and violating US laws regarding support of paid applications.

So I have too been looking for the next solution and while you could do some of these features with the adobe suite or On1 it would take many more steps than what I can do with Topaz Studio 2 or even Topaz Studio which I still run (actually faster than Topaz Studio 2 on my M1 Mac Mini). So those suggestions are not what I am looking for or what the poster is as well I would guess. And the people saying topaz AI has any elements of Topaz Studio 2 are incorrect. The ’new’ app is just a dumbing down of the current Topaz Sharpen AI, Topaz Gigapixel and Topaz DeNoise. It has absolutely no creative features nor does it borrow anything from Topaz Studio 2.

so to answer the actual question - I have looked Pastello and Impresso Pro from JixPix. They do a lot of the functions of Topaz Studio 2. It is a bit expensive at $100 for the 2 but it does do a lot Topaz Studio 2 didn’t do with what seems to be more controls with brush strokes etc. It runs on both pc and Mac. I am just testing it. One issue I have so far is it doesn’t work correctly as a plugin for On1 which is a big issue for me as On1 drops the plugin as a layer rather than the approach Photoshop and Lightroom Classic does which just creates a new image. With Topaz Studio 2 I can use it from the raw processor as a layer with much more control.

I looked at the other application mentioned in this stream but as I reported it doesn’t work on Macs correctly. It might be a good pc solution though.

any other pertinent suggestions would be appreciated.
I’m in the same boat as the original poster but ra... (show quote)


Thanks for that input! I hadn't run into JixiPix before, so thanks for that option. After a quick look, it looks intriguing. I'll be looking at it more closely.

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Sep 19, 2022 15:02:47   #
Capn_Dave
 
mrgarci wrote:
Yes, I am aware that Photo AI is a standalone program. I'm not sure what you mean by choosing "edit in." When I open Photo AI, I can only select the photo to work with, and then Photo AI does its auto processing of noise and sharpening, with options to upscale.


If you right click on a photo any photo a dropdown will appear. Here is where I messed up the dropdown will give you a selection of programs to open the photo with one will say OPEN WITH click on that and Photo AI should be a choice

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Sep 19, 2022 15:29:46   #
mrgarci Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
Capn_Dave wrote:
If you right click on a photo any photo a dropdown will appear. Here is where I messed up the dropdown will give you a selection of programs to open the photo with one will say OPEN WITH click on that and Photo AI should be a choice


Okay, now I understand. You were referring to one potential way to open Photo AI within Microsoft Windows. Thanks for the clarification.

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Sep 19, 2022 16:11:09   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
mrgarci wrote:
Thanks for that input! I'm not a professional photographer but enjoy photography and post processing. Usually, I have more photos to process than I have time to spend on. I tend towards the 80/20 rule; that is, I'm okay with getting 80% of the results with 20% of the time, effort, equipment and expense. Usually, most people can't tell the difference between 80% and 100% unless they're pixel peepers. So, I allowed myself to become dependent upon being able to quickly process photos using personal custom and product provided presets/effects within Studio 2 for general or creative images. For more involved images I use Corel PaintShop Pro where I can better keep track of layers and fine edits. I've tended to think of Adobe as a more expensive and time intensive option, but perhaps my paradigm should be revised.
Thanks for that input! I'm not a professional phot... (show quote)


Lightroom does 80% for me. Photoshop does most of the other 20%. Lots of things can be presets in LrC.

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Sep 19, 2022 16:53:22   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
mrgarci wrote:
I'm not seeing that Photo AI is a replacement for Studio 2. From what I can tell, Photo AI basically combines Denoise AI, Sharpen AI, and Gigapixel AI into one app/plugin. I don't think there will ever be any creative processing included in the future like in Studio 2. Yes, I own Photo AI and you are correct that it is not recognized by Studio 2 as a plugin like Denoise AI, Sharpen AI, Adjust AI, and Mask AI are. According to Topaz Labs in a reply to me:

In 2020, we decided to end the development of all of our "creative" apps and focus solely on what we call our "image quality" apps (DeNoise AI, Sharpen AI, and Gigapixel AI).

The reason Photo AI does not work in Studio 2 is not because of lack of development to do so with Photo AI. It's because Studio 2 isn't capable of functioning as a host editor for Photo AI. It simply doesn't allow for any sort of integration with Photo AI because development on that program ended before we every started working on Topaz Photo AI. That program is technically still available to purchase if you can find it on our site, but it's not outwardly promoted. It's also still supported in it's current state, but will soon become a legacy program."
I'm not seeing that Photo AI is a replacement for ... (show quote)


I think I understand now what you are referring to. I believe you may be referring to the options in Studio 2 to "Add Filter" and "To Add Look" that are not in Photo AI. For those who use those even on a minor basis, Photo AI will not be useful for them. Not sure what the thinking a Topaz was or if they found that very few people were using those functions, but based on many of the how to videos I have seen they may have made a wrong move. I don't see why they can't include those in Photo AI. They are mostly stylized setting created by Topaz or users to make it easier for the users to do things with their pics without going through the complete process of making all the changes in the software to achieve the look. I had only given Photo AI a cursory look, but after your posts I can see what I consider significant short comings such as there is no option to even convert an image to B&W. Thank you for bringing up this subject!

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Sep 19, 2022 17:17:49   #
mrgarci Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
burkphoto wrote:
Lightroom does 80% for me. Photoshop does most of the other 20%. Lots of things can be presets in LrC.


I've had the attitude for a long time to not jump on the Photoshop bandwagon and to resist subscriptions, which in this day and age is becoming the norm. Perhaps it's time for me to reconsider. I'll certainly be looking at the Adobe option with an open mind. Thanks for your encouragement!

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Sep 19, 2022 18:03:52   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
mrgarci wrote:
I've had the attitude for a long time to not jump on the Photoshop bandwagon and to resist subscriptions, which in this day and age is becoming the norm. Perhaps it's time for me to reconsider. I'll certainly be looking at the Adobe option with an open mind. Thanks for your encouragement!


Adobe and Microsoft get bad raps for the subscription model. I haven’t yet found the criticism to be valid.

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Sep 19, 2022 18:28:17   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
I've been using Photoshop since CS3 up to current day, and there is almost nothing that can't be done in it 3 or 4 different ways; and that includes creative effects. Since it's the 800-pound gorilla of photo editors, there are also tons of instructional videos and articles available to guide you step by step.

While I own other software, Photoshop is the only one that is irreplaceable for me. YMMV.

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