UFOs (Page 3): Yep…enough trained and qualified people have seen them that to simply state they don't exist seems wrong. Whether you're religious and believe in a Supreme Being or...

neillaubenthal

Canisdirus wrote:

I'll stick with the astronauts on this one...they have seen things.

Gordon Cooper's is probably the strongest...since the UFO showed up on his scanner and NASA was tracking it.
Reporters were forbidden to ask about it.

Something is going on.

Yep…enough trained and qualified people have seen them that to simply state they don't exist seems wrong.

Whether you're religious and believe in a Supreme Being or whether you think that the universe has existed forever is irrelevant…but if anything exists now then something had to exist for all time since matter didn't spring into existence on it's own…you can believe it's spiritual (God or Allah or whatever) or material (the universe)…but which you believe is irrelevant…is as whether you believe people evolved from earlier life forms or were created by the omnipotent being.

The simple fact is that there are trillions or hundreds of billions of galaxies depending on which number you want to trust and the observable universe is 30 billion light years across plus or minus…and each galaxy contains from millions to billions to hundreds of billions of stars…again depending but it's a whole bunch of stars.

Assuming humans evolved…the likelihood that only on a single planet out of all those starts it evolved are zero. Assuming we were created along with the universe…there are places in the universe that humans can never, ever, ever get to…not to mention the universe (assuming it was created) is 12 billion years or more old (depending on which number you trust)…and since earth has only been around 4 or 5 billion years entire stars and civilizations could have evolved, been created or whatever and gone out of existence as their star super nova'ed before earth even existed.

So…yes, the likelihood that intelligent life exists now in the universe is almost 100% in my view…statistics tells you that. Whether it has visited us depends on whether they've invented faster than light travel because without it the answer is pretty much no, they haven't. And since any sufficiently advanced technology will be considered magic by less advanced technology…things like cloaking devices and transporters and warp drive and all that can clearly stistcically be said to very likely exist.

Personally I believe that God created the universe but that mostly he also created evolution and relativity and mostly lets things play out on their own rather than being a hands on sorta of being…but that's just me and all of the above would also be true even if I believed the universe was the thing that has existed forever.

jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska

Canisdirus wrote:

Well....reality sure kicks you in the nuts.
Science now knows through three different fields of study....two things.
1.) The Universe is predetermined, and acts exactly as if there was no creation design. Every new finding confirms this.
2.) There is no free will. Simply doesn't exist....seems like it...but no.

Mankind does not take truths very well...preferring the fictional stories for comfort.

Being a determinist as long as I can remember, I agree with you. However, quantum physics is making it harder and harder for me to not question parts of this belief. 🤔 I'm still not convinced tho that much of quantum physics is simply not knowing the near infinite number of tiny causes that predict the affects.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

neillaubenthal wrote:

Yep…enough trained and qualified people have seen them that to simply state they don't exist seems wrong.

Whether you're religious and believe in a Supreme Being or whether you think that the universe has existed forever is irrelevant…but if anything exists now then something had to exist for all time since matter didn't spring into existence on it's own…you can believe it's spiritual (God or Allah or whatever) or material (the universe)…but which you believe is irrelevant…is as whether you believe people evolved from earlier life forms or were created by the omnipotent being.

The simple fact is that there are trillions or hundreds of billions of galaxies depending on which number you want to trust and the observable universe is 30 billion light years across plus or minus…and each galaxy contains from millions to billions to hundreds of billions of stars…again depending but it's a whole bunch of stars.

Assuming humans evolved…the likelihood that only on a single planet out of all those starts it evolved are zero. Assuming we were created along with the universe…there are places in the universe that humans can never, ever, ever get to…not to mention the universe (assuming it was created) is 12 billion years or more old (depending on which number you trust)…and since earth has only been around 4 or 5 billion years entire stars and civilizations could have evolved, been created or whatever and gone out of existence as their star super nova'ed before earth even existed.

So…yes, the likelihood that intelligent life exists now in the universe is almost 100% in my view…statistics tells you that. Whether it has visited us depends on whether they've invented faster than light travel because without it the answer is pretty much no, they haven't. And since any sufficiently advanced technology will be considered magic by less advanced technology…things like cloaking devices and transporters and warp drive and all that can clearly stistcically be said to very likely exist.

Personally I believe that God created the universe but that mostly he also created evolution and relativity and mostly lets things play out on their own rather than being a hands on sorta of being…but that's just me and all of the above would also be true even if I believed the universe was the thing that has existed forever.

Yep…enough trained and qualified people have seen ... (show quote)

Nah! We're the only supposedly intelligent ones. Numbers don't mean a thing. There are millions of grains of sand on a beach, but not one of them can write a novel. You need the right conditions, first for life, and then for intelligent life. If there is intelligent life elsewhere, it's too far away for us to become aware of them or vice versa.

Smudgey Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona

jerryc41 wrote:

Nah! We're the only supposedly intelligent ones. Numbers don't mean a thing. There are millions of grains of sand on a beach, but not one of them can write a novel. You need the right conditions, first for life, and then for intelligent life. If there is intelligent life elsewhere, it's too far away for us to become aware of them or vice versa.

You must live on a different planet than I do.

Canisdirus

jackm1943 wrote:

Being a determinist as long as I can remember, I agree with you. However, quantum physics is making it harder and harder for me to not question parts of this belief. 🤔 I'm still not convinced tho that much of quantum physics is simply not knowing the near infinite number of tiny causes that predict the affects.

Actually quantum physics is one of the sciences that has concluded this...along with cosmology, and neurology.

It's not a done deal, but dang close ...and in science...that's saying something.

I suspect it will be like evolution...all subsequent relevant data will support it.

It's really amazing to think that for the very first time...in our entire history...mankind knows his place.

Yes it is insignificant to the extreme...in fact the universe is basically a dark matter universe....the universe that we observe (galaxies...everything) is a mere 'film' on an 'ocean' of dark matter.

But...for the first time...we truly know how it all works.

The downside of course is we have to realize our insignificance (may be a good thing)...
Although we are only passing observers...we at least get to observe it.

Something no previous generation could do.

PixHound Loc: Marietta, GA

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." Albert Einstein

PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA

It is possible the UAPs being reported are trying to maintain adherence to the "Prime Directive" of not geting involved with the planet's inhabitants. Unfortunately they forget to turn off the "running lights" on their crafts.

jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska

Canisdirus wrote:

Actually quantum physics is one of the sciences th... (show quote)

One thing that gives me comfort is knowing that the atoms making me up will be around for billions if not trillions of years.

Beard43 Loc: End of the Oregon Trail

I've often wondered if we're just a tourist stop for them. Drop by, say hello and move on.

Ron

Mike Foster

I don't know if UFO's are true or not, but they are fun to think about just like sasquatch. Beam me up Scotty.

Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA

jackm1943 wrote:

One thing that gives me comfort is knowing that the atoms making me up will be around for billions if not trillions of years.

Unless by chance some of them end up in a nuclear reactor!

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Smudgey wrote:

You must live on a different planet than I do.

I used to, but I'm on earth for a few more years.

jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska

Bridges wrote:

Unless by chance some of them end up in a nuclear reactor!

Yikes, never thought of that. 😲

Doddy Loc: Barnard Castle-England

jerryc41 wrote:

There are certainly lots of things we can't explain. We see them, yet we have no explanation for them.

"My grandfather told me he saw one land and a being get out." Maybe they stopped to walk the dog.

Ha Ha...or maybe to cock its leg!

denoferth Loc: Portsmouth, NH

Ridicule is the same very strong tool the CIA has been using to debunk and prevent serious research into the ufo phaenomon for decades. I tend to discount "lights in the sky", especially those lite up like pinwheels or ceiling fans. Once you've seen an actual machine doing things in the air all your knowledge of physics and aerodyniamics tells you is not possible at our present level of knowledge you will never need the opinion of "experts" (who've never seen one themselves) or other deniers ever again.