Third Party Lenses (Page 2): Would you rather buy a car from Toyota that will double in price, or one from another manufacturer that will half in price over the same period?

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Would you rather buy a car from Toyota that will double in price, or one from another manufacturer that will half in price over the same period?

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

billnikon wrote:

Jerry, please supply exact information you have on Nikon encouraging Tamron to make Z lenses instead of Nikon selling Z lenses.
Come on Jerry, back up your statements.

I also read a while back that some of the Tamron lenses are being rebranded as Nikon in the Z mount.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Orphoto wrote:

Along the same lines Nikon has encouraged 2 other companies to start making flash units for their cameras.

Actually, that's good. If Nikon gives them the specs, they can make flashes that will work very well with Nikon cameras. Nikon flashes have had a very good reputation.

gwilliams6

Yes Canon has told third-party makers to stop selling any more of their RF lenses, in an effort to control that market. Viltrox and Samyang have pulled their RF lenses, while Rokinon (a part of Samyang, is still selling its remaining RF ones).

Dont look for Tamron and Sigma to sell anymore RF lenses. (A few remain available) but Canon never licensed or authorized their RF mount and lens coding and algorithms to third-party makers, so the ones out their now have been reversed-engineered. Canon wont be allowing any lens firmware updates or any future coding to third-party lens makers.

It is Canon's economic strategy to sell their RF bodies for a bit less, but then lock you into buying their mostly very expensive RF lenses, where they make a greater percentage profit on each lens, than on the camera bodies.

On the other hand look at Sony that has made the E-mount an open mount and now between all third-party lens makers and Sony itself, there are more mirrorless lenses in E-mount than all other mirrorless mounts combined.

That has helped grow the Sony mirrorless camera body sales and made their system more affordable for more budgets. Nikon is taking a chapter out of Sony's page and realizing the benefits of opening up their Z-mount. It is the right and smart thing to do IMHO.

FYI, after 40+ years owning the best pro gear from Nikon and Canon (both brands), I moved to mirrorless and
I have owned Sony A6500, A7RII, A7RIII, A7III, A9 and currently own A1, A7RIV, A7SIII. I currently have 13 E-mount lenses covering 10mm to 600mm from Sony, Sigma and Tamron. And my top quality Sigma Art and Tamron lenses are every bit as good optically as my best Sony lenses but were had at less price.

Nikon is doing the right thing to sell more cameras. Canon is going for the money.

Cheers and best to you all.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

gwilliams6 wrote:

It is Canon's economic strategy to sell their RF b... (show quote)

Canon is learning from its printer division, but not in a good way.

You're right about the availability of lenses driving camera sales. That's something Apple never learned. Apple is the richest company in the world, but it has a tiny share of the computer market because it wants total control.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

jerryc41 wrote:

Canon is learning from its printer division, but not in a good way.

You're right about the availability of lenses driving camera sales. That's something Apple never learned. Apple is the richest company in the world, but it has a tiny share of the computer market because it wants total control.

So is Apple unsuccessful in their strategy?

joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA

mudduck wrote:

I know we got off the photo subject but I just wanted to reply to the guy whos heading to BB. I live in Fort Worth and go down a couple of time a year, if youre in the FJ ( I own a 10) take the trip to the old Marichal mine. Great photo opprutunity there. Im going down in Nov. for the Terlingua Chili contests. If youve never been and need some info drop me a private email.

Nice scenic 🔆🔆🔆🔆🔆

mudduck

Thank you, its a jpg from a sony A7R II, if you notice theres no corrections on it by the spots on the right side. BB is a great place for scenics, its the least visited national park in the lower 48. It has gotten a little more crowded since covid, people couldnt travel out of the country and a lot of people from Austin, San Antonio and Houstion came for safe out door vacations, the tourist season runs from Oct. to May. Im adding a west ward view of the old mine, they mined cinnabar (mercury) till the 40s.

jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America

Architect1776 wrote:

So is Apple unsuccessful in their strategy?

It depends on the point of view.

Financially, It's obviously not.

Historically and technologically... absolutely irrelevant.

Mac's are just PC's ya know. And *YES* they are just trivial IBM PC derived computers just as every other one. I've installed MACOS on custom PC I've built with readily available parts for under 40% of the cost of a real MAC, and also installed Linux / Windows on real MACs. I've installed MACOS on virtual PCs on big servers. Heck, I've even installed Android on iPhones and viceversas... which are also IBM PC derived.

The Apple GUI is just a ripoff of Palo Alto Research's Desktop, as is Windows, KDE, Gnome... nothing new there.

IBM created the digital world we live in. Good for us.
Apple created, ahh... a great marketing strategy. Good for them.

jimneotech Loc: Michigan

ClarkJohnson wrote:

Those with longer memories might remember that there were once two video tape formats: Beta (Sony) and VHS (JVC). Sony maintained a closed system, while JVC encouraged everyone and their brother to make VHS video recorders. Guess who won? I’ve been surprised that this lesson doesn’t seem to have had much impact on Japanese camera manufacturers in recent years.

delder Loc: Maryland

I like the Apple/PC/IBM comparison.
To ME [End User] my primary concern is what is best for the PLATFORM.
In MY eyes, Allowing/Encouraging 3rd. party accessories/lenses ads value to my Kit.

jimneotech Loc: Michigan

ClarkJohnson wrote:

Those with longer memories might remember that there were once two video tape formats: Beta (Sony) and VHS (JVC). Sony maintained a closed system, while JVC encouraged everyone and their brother to make VHS video recorders. Guess who won? I’ve been surprised that this lesson doesn’t seem to have had much impact on Japanese camera manufacturers in recent years.

Actually, Sony invented both systems. They felt that the Beta system gave higher quality video so they kept that and licensed out the VHS system. It could have worked out better (Beta?) for them if they had licensed the superior product.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

jlg1000 wrote:

It depends on the point of view. br br Financiall... (show quote)

Then why do most here on UHH worship Apple?

Prof M Loc: Corvallis. OR

petrochemist wrote:

I didn't need another reason not to buy a Canon R series but they've provided one anyway.
I doubt I'll be getting a Z series either, but I guess it is possible I'll end up with a 7th digital camera mount & Nikon has made a significant step towards being the better option there. :)

I totally agree! (Unfortunately, I already own an R

)

jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America

Architect1776 wrote:

Then why do most here on UHH worship Apple?

Just one word: marketing.

I work with computers for a living since the 80's.

Each and every computer I've own (made) was more powerful, reliable, stable and lasted longer than the equivalent Mac.

I've still use *for work* a bunch of computers which are over 10 years old... living' and kicking' 24/7. Try that with Apples.

EDIT: I just remembered... I also have a PC which I've built in 2002, which is still doing its job in the basement of a remote building.