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CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

SuperflyTNT wrote:

I love when those with no real clue chime in.

Just saying ...

turp77 Loc: Connecticut, Plainfield

CHG_CANON wrote:

A recent study found that 68% of the statistics on 37% of the discussion boards are 84% made up.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

goofybruce wrote:

...Do you start an "artist" off with a f... (show quote)

As one that had studied art I’ll say that’s not a great analogy. If you’re learning to paint you don’t study sketching first. They are two completely different things. There is no advantage to using a lesser camera to learn. Now I wouldn’t invest in top of the line before I knew it was a hobby I wanted to stick with, but having the most current technology can enhance the learning experience.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

Sidwalkastronomy wrote:

My XSI is still going strong

My XSi is still working too. But the RP does everything it did, without the lens to camera body focus problems. With the adapter, it uses all the old lenses. Plus all them newfangled bells and whistles makes getting to that desired image so much easier.

Cany143 Loc: SE Utah

lmTrying wrote:

Ok, have you been reading Cany143? Or do circular slide rules really exist?

Come to think about it, that should make it easy to work beyond the normal 3 digit accuracy of of a standard linear slide rule.

HEY!!! Thou SHALT NOT take the name of........................

..........in vain.

Trig teacher I had in high school REQUIRED us kiddos to get --and learn how to use-- a slide rule. Didn't take long for one or six of us to get us a circular one, and the only thing I remember at this point is that those circular ones were just as good as the regular linear slide rules were for figuring out the cosine of N-2 squared and some such strangeness, but NOT FRIKKIN' ONCE did I ever win a drink or a $10 dollar bill off either one of 'em, straight or circular, when I pocketed the the 8-ball on the break.

What's more, as much as it might've been fun to do a wheelie on a tractor, sad to say so savory an experience like that might be has never been mine. All I was ever able to manage, wheelie-wise, resulted in me getting a ticket out on Telegraph Ave one Saturday night in a little (427 powered) Ford Falcon lettered up (I did the lettering; 'sign'-painting race cars was a sort of offshoot of my more painterly beginnings back in those mid 60's days) with the name "Gold Rush".

But an abacus? Wassat???

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

lmTrying wrote:

You sound like a teacher. Well versed in the progr... (show quote)

I disagree. I see assumptions about the progression of skills with no real clue of how things actually work.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

SteveFranz wrote:

When you learn the old technology, you learn the basics. When you move forward to newer technology, understanding the basics helps you make full use of the new technology. For example, you can use the "auto everything" on a mirrorless camera, or you can use "manual." If you don't know the basics of photography, the "manual" option would be pretty mysterious to you.

Exactly!!!

All of us old farts that started with pre-1960 Manual cameras learned that way. And there was only the basics. But today, I would not start anyone on a Box Brownie. I wouldn't even start anyone on a film camera. I would set them down in my Livingroom and have them take photos of the running ceiling fan at different shutter speeds and watch what happens to the ISO. Then i'd take them to a fence row and have them focus on succeeding fence posts then look at the foreground and background of each photo. Just two things to get them off of Full Auto Mode. Photography is visual and newbies need simple visual exercises to explain the concepts. All these new fangled cameras have the capability to operate in Full Manual. The trick is to get them to start thinking in those basic concepts.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

SteveFranz wrote:

When you learn the old technology, you learn the basics. When you move forward to newer technology, understanding the basics helps you make full use of the new technology. For example, you can use the "auto everything" on a mirrorless camera, or you can use "manual." If you don't know the basics of photography, the "manual" option would be pretty mysterious to you.

I think the opposite approach is better. A new photographer should just set it to auto and go shoot. Learn about composition and seeing the light. Learn what makes a good image. Some will be completely happy just doing that. Others will want to know why sometimes an image doesn’t match what they expected. Then they can start learning how to use shutter speed, aperture and ISO to control motion, depth of field and exposure. Instead of just learning those things in a vacuum they’ll actually have meaning to how those things affect what they’re trying to achieve.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Attitude, experience and knowledge are so old school. Magnesium, frames per seconds and dynamic range are the new triangle of successful photography.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

SuperflyTNT wrote:

I love when those with no real clue chime in.

Well, it is one way for them to learn.

What I don't understand is, if it is great, how does it have draw backs? I understand that some people have problems with EVFs. And live view screens are a real pain in bright sun. I considered the EVF a bit of a learning curve. If the faster drain on the battery is a draw back, well that's the price of convivence. Live view screens? just another reason to wear a hat. That hat has helped take away sun flairs too.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

lmTrying wrote:

Well, it is one way for them to learn.

What I don't understand is, if it is great, how does it have draw backs? I understand that some people have problems with EVFs. And live view screens are a real pain in bright sun. I considered the EVF a bit of a learning curve. If the faster drain on the battery is a draw back, well that's the price of convivence. Live view screens? just another reason to wear a hat. That hat has helped take away sun flairs too.

Uhh? The EVF in the view finder is a God-send for a sunny day, especially for quick image review and that always amazing visual 10x zoom of the image details to your eye in the EVF. No hat needed. Battery drain is a old-model problem, not the current / newest models.

Cany143 Loc: SE Utah

CHG_CANON wrote:

Attitude, experience and knowledge are so old school. Magnesium, frames per seconds and dynamic range are the new triangle of successful photography.

Not exactly, Paul. Mg, FPS and DR used to be new-schoolish, back in the day, but even those are essentially moot at present.

AI. Artyficial Integance! Can you say 'AI'? Embrace it! Savor it! Learn it NOW!!! 'Cuz next week, success will be something entirely more/other/superlative that'll knock your BIF-ian socks off!

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

SuperflyTNT wrote:

I disagree. I see assumptions about the progression of skills with no real clue of how things actually work.

Ok

I was a Drafting teacher for 33 years. I developed a progression of skills for my subject.

The art rooms were right next to me. I dropped in from time to time because we (me and the art teachers) would sometimes work together to enhance a particular student's talents. So, if I didn't get the Art part right, I'm sorry. Or are you talking about something different?

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

Cany143 wrote:

HEY!!! Thou SHALT NOT take the name of.............. (show quote)

Hey!!!!!! I am totally flattered that you chimed in!!

Considering that when I first posted this thread yesterday, I didn't figer I'd get even one response.

Try to imagine my confusion this morning when I logged in and my post was the first on the screen. I jus' sat ther' a while lookin' at it till I figered out ther' were responses. FIVE pages of 'em! And from all over the world! I'm still in shock!

I wasn't sure if the guy was pullin' my leg about the round slide rule, or if he had also read your post about a round pool table.

427 Falcon, eh? I assume a side oiler. Was it round body or square? I'll bet that Falcon was lighter than my '71 Nova SS. It came with a rock crusher 4-speed and 12 bolt. Then I built a '65 427 and dropped in. One night we watched the street disappear as the tops of the trees came into view while leaving a stop sign. Never took my foot out of it, rode it out. At the next street we did an "exit stage left" and got the $@!& out of "Dodge". Had my diesel JD garden tractor on two wheels several times trying to drag logs that were sometimes a bit too big. Impressed the pants off those tree trimmer guys.

But I have a real hard time believing that you don't know what an abacus is.

Hey, thanks for lookin' in!

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

CHG_CANON wrote:

Attitude, experience and knowledge are so old school. Magnesium, frames per seconds and dynamic range are the new triangle of successful photography.

If ya don't understand shutter speed, ISO and focus length / depth of field, magnesium, fps, and dynamic range won't help.