English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL

I have been hesitant to post anything here, even if I did a few times.

While I certainly do not produce exceptional or even great work and need constructive (keyword) remarks. What I do not need is some weird interpretation of what I did. Weird (being polite) Photoshop remakes are not required or even needed.

When one asks for advice, why on earth would another intervene and say: See what I did with your image? It's better now? right?

My answer to that is usually f*** no, it is s***!

What I need is advice, not cheap remake that does not offer anything but the proof of how idiotic a thread has become. If one requests help on something, by all mean, post your creation, otherwise? Just avoid posting that stuff.

What do you think? does not mean redo it.
I need to know what did I do wrong? does not mean redo it.

This is the only board (so far) where I see that. It is really weird and frankly, unpleasant.

I had my piece now yours?

JimH Loc: Western South Jersey, USA

I tend to agree - there have been a few posts where the OP specifically asked that someone (anyone) edit their photo in order to improve/fix/whatever it.

But in most cases, what has happened is that a (relative) new-comer posts a pic, says, "how can I improve this", and then, when the pic is EDITED and reposted, the OP is perhaps somewhat reluctant to hackle-up, thinking the editor person is 'more qualified' than s/he is, and so doesn't say anything. The only people I've seen who (usually completely justifiably) say "hey, I didn't ask you to run my pic through 6 hours of Photoshop, just tell me how to improve it" are those with some experience as photographers, and who are not necessarily in awe of everyone else on the board.

And, of course, once you see another person edit a photo and repost it, then you feel it's ok for you to do it, and suddenly you have people with little editing skills making changes, for people who are too shy to call them on it, and you end up with a perpetuating cycle.

Some of the users here are real wizards with P/P. I'm not denigrating their talents at all. And I think most of them are very good at what they do. But there have been edits here that, as Oscar Wilde once said, make me "look upon this garish day with such a wistful eye."

This is a concern that has found voice on the forum several times in the last few fortnights, and until a common protocol is arrived at by users who wish their photos to remain virginal, versus those who would like to see them treated like the Sabine women, it will continue to be vexing.

PS - Any one who can identify the connection between my post here, and a recent other post which has also generated some amount of friction, wins a two-week all expense paid trip to Middletown, DE. :)

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

you need to post no editing with your photo. also if you want serious critique by experienced photographers, join photographycorner.com. this site is probably at least 85% newbies and recent newbies at that. the people who will edit your photo and then post it back are just trying to help. Sometimes it is easier to post a photo then try and explain in wrighting how to do something. I personaly don't edit other peoples photos because my editing skills are horrible. look at it this way, at least somebody cared enough to spend time reworking your photo after looking at it. so few people even bother to respond at all. My sugestion is if it happens again, thank the person for taking the time and then polietly say something like " Im sorry, hdr isn't my cup of tea, bu tthank you for your interpretation" you'll feel better by making someone else feel better. no harm no foul.

English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL

I see your point of view but strongly disagree. If you want to do an edit instead of writing, ask the permission, a courtesy that is lacking all over.

Also when an edit is made and posted (after asking) why not post the steps taken so that the person (and everyone else in the process) learns instead of looking?

English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL

I did post an edit that was requested. I posted in three parts with each step kind of explained*. Is that so difficult to do?

I do not think my explanations are clear enough since sometime I lack the tact needed. I also gave the name of the software used.

(and I do mean tact, I way too direct at times)

tk Loc: Iowa

Wof, that is exactly what I think most of us want. And we are too polite to say anything about it.

MWAC Loc: Somewhere East Of Crazy

I totally agree, unless the OP as stated edits are ok, ask first. I have edited a couple here but those were only ones where the OP asked for editing, and when I posted the edit I do tell them if they like it to let me know and I'll give them the steps on how I got my results.

I've seen some edits done here that would make me upset if they were done to one of my photos.

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

both your points i am in complete agreement with. a few months back mmrnotnobuddah started a thread about edit etiquite. no consensus was reached. I think you should ask first ity is always c the right thing to practice good manners. i also think they should provide the steps. I would encourage you to check out photographycorner.com, most of the seriously talented pros and semi pros from popphoto.com have drifted over there. you will get serious no beating around the bush critiques. by thhe way where in florida are you? im trapped here in zero beach.

English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL

Well then we need to stop being so freaking polite!!!

English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL

Ooooh a personal question!!!! (joking)

I am near Pensacola.

tk Loc: Iowa

Teach me to be nasty! Step by step.

English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL

It's not being nasty, just being honest suffice. To me staying silent when it is time to say something is being dishonest, and curiously, I think (you/we/I) are lying to ourselves.

I have seen great pictures (like the pope thing) that have not been recognized for what they are. A conversation piece which is what photography is all about: show something that provokes a reaction.

When I said as critic of the picture 'I don't like the pope and what he represents', I meant I did not like the subject (same as I would not like to have to look at porn here) but it This little statement created a firestorm. Then I said That it was made this picture great.

Then today, we have the Obama thread, I kind of had fun there while making a point.

MWAC Loc: Somewhere East Of Crazy

warning... if your too honest.. you'll get your very own forum stalker. lmao

English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL

Already have!!!! :shock: :mrgreen:

English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL

I apologize as my posts change over time. I post a quick answer then think again edit the spelling and other things that I spot and then everyone is lost!!!