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Aug 10, 2022 19:31:19   #
fredpnm Loc: Corrales, NM
 
Lknack wrote:
I had hoped this would be simple.
Yes, I’ve tried jpeg and RAW. I appreciate all of the time and effort y’all have extended.


Once again, I have no suggestions to offer on this issue. Sorry.

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Aug 11, 2022 09:00:26   #
gmontjr2350 Loc: Southern NJ
 
I had a similar issue with Topaz Sharpen AI. It seemed to occur with the "Normal" model. After processing the image with that model, the image area was black.
It finally seemed to boil down to the amount of memory available while running Sharpen AI. I disabled a bunch of start-up apps, in particular the "widgets" and the issue went away.
See this thread that I posted here asking for help.
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-743089-1.html

George

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Aug 11, 2022 09:06:50   #
Canisdirus
 
Have you tested your 'graphics card' with a benchmark program?
Do the same for your CPU.

The Iris integrated...is dang slow...if Topaz is using that...probably the problem.
Photo processing is graphic intensive.

Edit: Here is your GPU bench...



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Aug 11, 2022 09:49:40   #
pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts
 
I too use the free version of Topaz. It loads and runs slow for me. Not sure why.

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Aug 11, 2022 10:50:18   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Lknack wrote:
Question for you computer folks:

I just purchased a new HP ProBook 450 G9, with 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD and an Intel(R) Iris(R) Xe Graphics with Windows 10.
It runs everything well (and fast) EXCEPT for Topaz D, S, G. I’m using the free trial version of Topaz and feel like I want to buy the package but here’s the problem: All the Topaz apps will load, show an image but when it finishes processing the screen is black. If I zoom in on a small (about ½ of the image or less) part of the image it works perfectly. If I use the “split view” at full frame, the “before” image appears but when I slide it over, the “after” image is black. Zoomed in it works well.
I have talked to a HP trouble shooter, he remotely took control of my computer, ran several diagnostics procedures and everything checked out ok. I talked to a Topaz guy, and he said that everything is OK on their end “it’s a hardware problem.”
This computer is well above the minimum requirements set by Topaz, and I have read, online, that the video card should be more than enough to run photo editing.
I use Affinity Photo and it runs fine.
I recently switched to a Sony RX10 IV and really need the Topaz apps.
Any thoughts, ideas, help would be appreciated.
I’m old and not very computer savvy so, please, keep it simple.

Thanks
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Aug 11, 2022 16:24:29   #
alvin3232 Loc: Houston, TX
 
Hello
What about seeing if your video card driver has an updated driver? That could be the issue maybe, but just something to look at. Based on everything else seems your new laptop should work.

Alvin

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Aug 11, 2022 16:44:43   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
Lknack wrote:
I asked the HP guy the same thing, he said “no.” He said that “it way exceeds the minimum recommend specs from Topaz.”


Since it is using the on board graphics, if there is not memory dedicated to the graphics processor it may be a shared memory problem. If so, you can install a suitable graphics card, trade your laptop for one having a dedicated graphics card that has enough memory to more than satisfy the Topaz minimum recommendation, or disable Topaz's use of the graphics processor and see if it runs faster that way. TriX, if you are watching, have I said anything that is incorrect?

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Aug 11, 2022 18:06:14   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
TheShoe wrote:
Since it is using the on board graphics, if there is not memory dedicated to the graphics processor it may be a shared memory problem. If so, you can install a suitable graphics card, trade your laptop for one having a dedicated graphics card that has enough memory to more than satisfy the Topaz minimum recommendation, or disable Topaz's use of the graphics processor and see if it runs faster that way. TriX, if you are watching, have I said anything that is incorrect?


No sir., you haven’t - Ithink you’ve covered it well (in my humble opinion). If the graphics driver is correct/up to date and the preferences are correct in the Topaz aps, AND Topaz was critical to your workflow, I personally would be looking into the possibility of returning the laptop and replacing it with one with a separate NVidia based graphics card. Seems extreme, but I have no other ideas.

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Aug 11, 2022 19:05:32   #
Lknack Loc: NOCO
 
First, I want to thank all y’all for the thought and help.
Second, I purchased the package at the sale price.
Third, I discovered if I zoom in about 10% from full frame it will work and save the whole image properly and I can open in Affinity and use it. That works pretty well with D and S but I have to zoom in to about 30% for G to work. Now I have to figure out how to plug them into Affinity and figure out a workflow.
Thanks again for all your efforts.

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Aug 11, 2022 19:52:56   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Lknack wrote:
First, I want to thank all y’all for the thought and help.
Second, I purchased the package at the sale price.
Third, I discovered if I zoom in about 10% from full frame it will work and save the whole image properly and I can open in Affinity and use it. That works pretty well with D and S but I have to zoom in to about 30% for G to work. Now I have to figure out how to plug them into Affinity and figure out a workflow.
Thanks again for all your efforts.


Glad you found a work around, and if you ever find the root cause, please let us know.

Cheers

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Aug 11, 2022 20:09:55   #
Lknack Loc: NOCO
 
Will do. I didn’t mention that I loaded all of the windows and HP updates and uninstalled and reinstalled topaz.
Anyway, got er done… kinda.

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Aug 12, 2022 01:21:30   #
Cheese
 
This is NOT a problem with your computer. As you noted, “ If I zoom in on a small (about ½ of the image or less) part of the image it works perfectly.” This is by design. If you have a large image, you cannot load it at 100%. You need to zoom out. Try loading it at 40% or 50%. I believe the reason is that Topaz uses a lot of memory to manipulate the image, so it needs to save memory on displaying the image. You should get a pop-up message asking you to zoom out.

Contact Topaz help desk for confirmation. There is nothing wrong with either the computer or Topaz. Both are working as designed.

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Aug 12, 2022 02:07:29   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
TriX wrote:
... I personally would be looking into the possibility of returning the laptop and replacing it with one with a separate NVidia based graphics card. ...


I don't think that I will try to trade my RADEON RX 6700 XT for something from NVidia.

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Aug 12, 2022 08:40:25   #
Lknack Loc: NOCO
 
[quote=Cheese]This is NOT a problem with your computer. As you noted, “ If I zoom in on a small (about ½ of the image or less) part of the image it works perfectly.” This is by design. If you have a large image, you cannot load it at 100%. You need to zoom out. Try loading it at 40% or 50%. I believe the reason is that Topaz uses a lot of memory to manipulate the image, so it needs to save memory on displaying the image. You should get a pop-up message asking you to zoom out.

Contact Topaz help desk for confirmation. There is nothing wrong with either the computer or Topaz. Both are working as designed.[/quote

That makes since, but they ought to warn you so you wouldn’t have to waist so much time trying to figure it out. I wonder how many sales they loose because people think it’s not compatible (like I almost did).
Thanks

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Aug 12, 2022 10:33:53   #
Toby
 
[quote=Lknack][quote=Cheese]This is NOT a problem with your computer. As you noted, “ If I zoom in on a small (about ½ of the image or less) part of the image it works perfectly.” This is by design. If you have a large image, you cannot load it at 100%. You need to zoom out. Try loading it at 40% or 50%. I believe the reason is that Topaz uses a lot of memory to manipulate the image, so it needs to save memory on displaying the image. You should get a pop-up message asking you to zoom out.

Contact Topaz help desk for confirmation. There is nothing wrong with either the computer or Topaz. Both are working as designed.[/quote

That makes since, but they ought to warn you so you wouldn’t have to waist so much time trying to figure it out. I wonder how many sales they loose because people think it’s not compatible (like I almost did).
Thanks[/quote]

WOW. I just bought the package but have not loaded or tried it yet. I will keep following this and hopefully not have the same problem. Thanks to everyone for the warnings and suggestions and to the original poster. Good Luck

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