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Jul 28, 2022 15:08:08   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
suntouched wrote:
Look into Leica w fixed lenses. Q2 camera with lens is 1 1/2 pounds, around 48 MP full frame. And there are other camera choices within that brand.


A very nice fixed focal length camera - if you have a spare $5k to spend. And certainly not "telephoto" that the OP stated as a requirement.

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Jul 28, 2022 15:40:31   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
suntouched wrote:
Look into Leica w fixed lenses. Q2 camera with lens is 1 1/2 pounds, around 48 MP full frame. And there are other camera choices within that brand.


Perhaps you should have mentioned that it pushes $6,000 in price.

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Jul 28, 2022 15:41:47   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Rick from NY wrote:
With all due respect, wrong answer if you want something small as op requested,


What is considered “small” is relative and depends on the user.

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Jul 28, 2022 16:32:46   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Hodagman wrote:
Seeking a high quality MGP small full framed camera with a great telephoto fixed lens system for travel.


"high quality MGP"? Does this mean high build quality? High image quality? High megapixel count?

"small full frame" is sort of counterintuitive. Small camera, large sensor is not something you find together. A large sensor needs a larger camera.

"great telephoto fixed lens" Telephoto lens is a long focal length. Smaller cameras with powerful telephoto capability accomplish that feat by having very small sensors... the opposite of "full frame". A "fixed lens" is a lens that has only one focal length... such as "300mm". It is not a zoom lens. I am guessing you simply mean a non-interchangeable lens, that you would consider a zoom. Many compact cameras have zoom lenses for the versatility. Especially those with telephoto capabilities. The smaller number that have fixed a fixed lens use a "normal" or "slightly wide" lens, not a "telephoto".

"For travel"... Well, that can be pretty much anything. I've traveled with a full frame DSLR fitted with a battery grip, 20mm, 24-70mm, 135mm and 300mm lenses, as well as a flash, 1.4X teleconverter (for use on the 135mm and 300mm lenses), macro extension tubes, lens and sensor cleaning kit, light meter, spare batteries, charger, extra memory and more. I've also traveled with a small APS-C mirrorless camera, four small prime lenses (12mm, 22mm, 56mm and 90mm), macro tubes, lens adapter, macro tubes, spare battery/charger, extra memory and a few other things... with a total weight less than the full frame camera/grip alone! Some people take a "bridge camera" or a "point n shoot" (both use non-interchangeable zoom lenses) that makes for an even lighter and more compact kit.

Full frame point-n-shoots:
Here are eight non-interchangeable lens cameras that have full frame sensors offering between 37MP and 47MP resolution... three are Leica, four are Sony and one is a Zeiss camera. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_sensor-size_3087%3Afull-frame All of these cameras are fitted with a fixed focal length, moderately wide lens (28mm or 35mm). None offer telephoto.

APS-C point-n-shoots:
The next size smaller sensor is APS-C and there are only eight of these available too, with resolutions between 24MP and 29MP. Four are Ricoh, Fujifilm offers two models, while Canon and Sigma each offer one. As with the above cameras, most of these have a fixed, non-interchangeable, moderate to slightly wide (28mm to 40mm full frame equivalent) lens. The Canon has a modest zoom that's equivalent to 24mm wide angle to 72mm short telephoto. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Aaps-c The smaller sensor used in these cameras will make for a bit less low light shooting capability, more noise issues at higher ISOs.

Micro 4/3 point-n-shoots:
Next we have so-called Micro Four-Thirds (M4/3) sensors... a little smaller still. Currently only three cameras use this sensor format, two Panasonic and one Leica, all of which are 17MP. All three also have similar zoom lenses, equivalent to full frame 24mm wide angle to 75mm short telephoto. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Afour-thirds

1" point-n-shoots:
You'll find a much larger selection among so-called 1" (one inch) sensor format cameras. Twenty four models use this next size smaller after M4/3 and their resolution ranges from 15MP to 23MP. Sony and Panasonic each offer eight 1" cameras, Canon offers five, Ricoh two and Leica one. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1in Several have fixed focal length, moderately wide lenses... but twenty one offer a zoom. Many of those zooms are modest, but others have fairly powerful telephoto "reach", equivalent to full frame 200mm, 400mm or even 600mm! Several of these are what are known as "bridge" cameras, similar in appearance to DSLRs, except that their zoom lens is not interchangeable.https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1in%2Cfct_telephoto-35mm-equiv_4088%3A200mm%7C250mm%7C360mm%7C400mm%7C480mm%7C600mm

1/2.3", 1/2", 1/5" point-n-shoots:
There are many "point n shoots" that use these even smaller format sensors, some of which have truly extreme telephoto range... equivalent to full frame 800mm, 900mm, 1000mm, 2000mm and even 3000mm! In other cases the tiny sensors used in these allow for the most compact cameras, but all these smaller sensor cameras are much more susceptible to digital noise, which significantly limits how high ISO can be used as well as limiting shooting in lower light conditions. Resolution is also limited by sensor size, typically between 12MP and 20MP. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1-2.3in%7C1-2.0in%7C1-5in

I hope I'm on the right track with this and that it helps you find what you want. If you wish, you can further refine the searches at B&H Photo to narrow it down to a smaller selection. Once you've identified a few, do further research on them and look for good, detailed reviews.

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Jul 28, 2022 16:40:15   #
BebuLamar
 
Well the OP can ask the question but nobody can ask the OP a question.

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Jul 28, 2022 16:50:47   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
amfoto1 wrote:
"high quality MGP"? Does this mean high build quality? High image quality? High megapixel count?

"small full frame" is sort of counterintuitive. Small camera, large sensor is not something you find together. A large sensor needs a larger camera.

"great telephoto fixed lens" Telephoto lens is a long focal length. Smaller cameras with powerful telephoto capability accomplish that feat by having very small sensors... the opposite of "full frame". A "fixed lens" is a lens that has only one focal length... such as "300mm". It is not a zoom lens. I am guessing you simply mean a non-interchangeable lens, that you would consider a zoom. Many compact cameras have zoom lenses for the versatility. Especially those with telephoto capabilities. The smaller number that have fixed a fixed lens use a "normal" or "slightly wide" lens, not a "telephoto".

"For travel"... Well, that can be pretty much anything. I've traveled with a full frame DSLR fitted with a battery grip, 20mm, 24-70mm, 135mm and 300mm lenses, as well as a flash, 1.4X teleconverter (for use on the 135mm and 300mm lenses), macro extension tubes, lens and sensor cleaning kit, light meter, spare batteries, charger, extra memory and more. I've also traveled with a small APS-C mirrorless camera, four small prime lenses (12mm, 22mm, 56mm and 90mm), macro tubes, lens adapter, macro tubes, spare battery/charger, extra memory and a few other things... with a total weight less than the full frame camera/grip alone! Some people take a "bridge camera" or a "point n shoot" (both use non-interchangeable zoom lenses) that makes for an even lighter and more compact kit.

Full frame point-n-shoots:
Here are eight non-interchangeable lens cameras that have full frame sensors offering between 37MP and 47MP resolution... three are Leica, four are Sony and one is a Zeiss camera. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_sensor-size_3087%3Afull-frame All of these cameras are fitted with a fixed focal length, moderately wide lens (28mm or 35mm). None offer telephoto.

APS-C point-n-shoots:
The next size smaller sensor is APS-C and there are only eight of these available too, with resolutions between 24MP and 29MP. Four are Ricoh, Fujifilm offers two models, while Canon and Sigma each offer one. As with the above cameras, most of these have a fixed, non-interchangeable, moderate to slightly wide (28mm to 40mm full frame equivalent) lens. The Canon has a modest zoom that's equivalent to 24mm wide angle to 72mm short telephoto. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Aaps-c The smaller sensor used in these cameras will make for a bit less low light shooting capability, more noise issues at higher ISOs.

Micro 4/3 point-n-shoots:
Next we have so-called Micro Four-Thirds (M4/3) sensors... a little smaller still. Currently only three cameras use this sensor format, two Panasonic and one Leica, all of which are 17MP. All three also have similar zoom lenses, equivalent to full frame 24mm wide angle to 75mm short telephoto. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Afour-thirds

1" point-n-shoots:
You'll find a much larger selection among so-called 1" (one inch) sensor format cameras. Twenty four models use this next size smaller after M4/3 and their resolution ranges from 15MP to 23MP. Sony and Panasonic each offer eight 1" cameras, Canon offers five, Ricoh two and Leica one. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1in Several have fixed focal length, moderately wide lenses... but twenty one offer a zoom. Many of those zooms are modest, but others have fairly powerful telephoto "reach", equivalent to full frame 200mm, 400mm or even 600mm! Several of these are what are known as "bridge" cameras, similar in appearance to DSLRs, except that their zoom lens is not interchangeable.https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1in%2Cfct_telephoto-35mm-equiv_4088%3A200mm%7C250mm%7C360mm%7C400mm%7C480mm%7C600mm

1/2.3", 1/2", 1/5" point-n-shoots:
There are many "point n shoots" that use these even smaller format sensors, some of which have truly extreme telephoto range... equivalent to full frame 800mm, 900mm, 1000mm, 2000mm and even 3000mm! In other cases the tiny sensors used in these allow for the most compact cameras, but all these smaller sensor cameras are much more susceptible to digital noise, which significantly limits how high ISO can be used as well as limiting shooting in lower light conditions. Resolution is also limited by sensor size, typically between 12MP and 20MP. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1-2.3in%7C1-2.0in%7C1-5in

I hope I'm on the right track with this and that it helps you find what you want. If you wish, you can further refine the searches at B&H Photo to narrow it down to a smaller selection. Once you've identified a few, do further research on them and look for good, detailed reviews.
"high quality MGP"? Does this mean high ... (show quote)


Excellent and useful response Alan. Kudos.

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Jul 28, 2022 16:56:07   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Hodagman wrote:
Seeking a high quality MGP small full framed camera with a great telephoto fixed lens system for travel.


Full frame / fixed lens system camera? I do not believe such a camera exists. In fact, I do not believe FF, APS-C, and 4/3rds make any fixed zoom lens camera systems.

There is the Sony RX10 m4. But it is a 1" sensor and has more noise at the same ISO compared to FF, APS-C, and 4/3rds. And the Sony RX10 m4 will have more depth of field than any of those formats for a specific aperture.

The next best system would be a Panasonic or Olympus 4/3rds camera with a Panasonic or Olympus lens in the range of 12-40 to 12-200 (24-80 to 24-400 in 35mm terms). I have been shooting with my Olympus and 12-100 lens this week of travel and have yet to change out the lens for another for the week (24-200 in 35mm terms). Will I need to change out my lens for one of my other two lenses in the next two weeks? We will see.

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Jul 28, 2022 17:10:41   #
jtm1943
 
Go smaller - Sony RX100 VII

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Jul 28, 2022 19:08:36   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
jtm1943 wrote:
Go smaller - Sony RX100 VII


Duh!

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Jul 28, 2022 22:38:16   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
Small full frame: Sony A7c

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Jul 29, 2022 02:15:46   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
ORpilot wrote:
I second the RX10iv or for a pocketable camera but shorter zoom the RX100vii. They are Pro-cameras.


The RX10MIV is NOT a pocketable camera, unless you’re a kangaroo.

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Jul 29, 2022 02:33:21   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Hodagman wrote:
Seeking a high quality MGP small full framed camera with a great telephoto fixed lens system for travel.


I guess I’d have to ask what you mean by a small camera. There are small cameras, such as some of the M 4/3 systems by Olympus and Panasonic, and then there are the pocketable compact cameras. None of these has a full 36x24/35mm sensor. Give us a bit more information to go on. A great many suggestions fitting the latter category have been recommended. The Sony RX10IV is a bridge camera and is neither small nor compact, but it does have a long zoom.

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Jul 29, 2022 06:04:39   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
Sony RX 100 VI or VII. It is very small, I believe same 1 inch sensor as the Sony RX 10, ourstanding IQ, zoom to 200 mm.

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Jul 29, 2022 09:59:04   #
DavidThompson Loc: Asheville, NC
 
Sony Alpha6600 with 18-135 kit lens. Lightweight
Only criticism is no built in flash

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Jul 29, 2022 10:08:32   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
Hodagman wrote:
Seeking a high quality MGP small full framed camera with a great telephoto fixed lens system for travel.


Sony RX-100vii...small, excellent and truly high quality, not cheap though.

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