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Jul 23, 2022 10:35:50   #
ikaush Loc: Medford, MA
 
dustie wrote:
"Rule"
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point and shoot


I love finds like these!

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Jul 23, 2022 11:14:45   #
sxrich
 
jlg1000 wrote:
I personally don't see them as "rules", just useful guidelines. When following them, it's more easy to get a good composition... The zillion of people taking snapshots with phones, don't know a thing about them and create 99.999% of... crappy snapshots (just look Instagram)

By knowing the composition rules and other techniques, a photographer can turn snapshot taking in a craft or art.

The same happens to carpentry, blacksmithing, and other trades/crafts/arts.


Correct - like any skilled trade, learning the "finer aspects" gives you an advantage with the end product. Again, just a tool but......."A poor workman always blames his tools". If all I did was shoot humming birds, maybe rule of thirds or any approach to composition wouldn't enter into the equation as much. However, the bowl of sugar water 30 ft from my window, with multiple birds ie "rule of odds" might make an interesting composition. Then, rule of thirds would potentially enhance. As I mentioned in an earlier post - "ignorance is bliss".

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Jul 23, 2022 11:55:18   #
sxrich
 
Burkley wrote:
Also, some food for thought. The rule of thirds makes perfect sense as a point of physiology. I treat people with balance disorders: vertigo and imbalance. How we use our eyes to look at the world is hard wired. About 1 /4 of our brain, the cerebellum, has no other function but to integrate information from our ear, eyes and from the tug of gravity on our body so that we can stay upright and function normally in space. Significant amounts of our brain besides the cerebellum are also dedicated to our balance system. Our perception of the horizon is a major part of our balance system. We naturally divide the horizon roughly into thirds, foreground, mid ground and distant. The rule of thirds is part of the hard wired balance system that allows us to walk upright, as well as part of the balance system for most vertebrates.

For people with balance problems, if you take that visual perspective away, such as in the dark or going from Sun to shade or when entering a long hallway, the sense of imbalance can be overwhelming. As upright animals, the prime intent of our eye movement is to provide information to our balance system so that we can maintain our upright position, walk, track objects, and rapidly perceive danger requiring us to move quickly. Given that we are hard wired to look at the world in thirds, the rule of thirds in photography is not surprising.
Also, some food for thought. The rule of thirds m... (show quote)


I never knew that. I do know a gal in her 60's who suffers from severe vertigo. It's horribly dibilitating.

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Jul 23, 2022 12:58:11   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
Tracy B. wrote:
Rule of Thirds


Beautiful!

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Jul 23, 2022 13:13:17   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
suntouched wrote:
Beautiful!


Thank you!!

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Jul 23, 2022 13:16:52   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Burkley wrote:
Also, some food for thought. The rule of thirds makes perfect sense as a point of physiology. I treat people with balance disorders: vertigo and imbalance. How we use our eyes to look at the world is hard wired. About 1 /4 of our brain, the cerebellum, has no other function but to integrate information from our ear, eyes and from the tug of gravity on our body so that we can stay upright and function normally in space. Significant amounts of our brain besides the cerebellum are also dedicated to our balance system. Our perception of the horizon is a major part of our balance system. We naturally divide the horizon roughly into thirds, foreground, mid ground and distant. The rule of thirds is part of the hard wired balance system that allows us to walk upright, as well as part of the balance system for most vertebrates.

For people with balance problems, if you take that visual perspective away, such as in the dark or going from Sun to shade or when entering a long hallway, the sense of imbalance can be overwhelming. As upright animals, the prime intent of our eye movement is to provide information to our balance system so that we can maintain our upright position, walk, track objects, and rapidly perceive danger requiring us to move quickly. Given that we are hard wired to look at the world in thirds, the rule of thirds in photography is not surprising.
Also, some food for thought. The rule of thirds m... (show quote)



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Jul 23, 2022 14:22:27   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
ikaush wrote:
I love finds like these!



They can be fun, definitely.
However, I've got a couple in pics that are so macabre in appearance, it's almost like the inanimate tree has tried to show a depiction of a gruesome death from the 18th or 19th century. I may never show them to anyone, weak stomachs would probably revolt.

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Jul 23, 2022 14:32:19   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
burkphoto wrote:
I hope you found it jarring and disturbing. That was my compositional intent. She wanted to appear to rebel...


Well, then it worked better than I had thought!

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Jul 23, 2022 15:00:38   #
Burkley Loc: Park City
 
autofocus wrote:
not really, you can justify it anyway you want but it's obvious the little girl is the primary subject and she's basically in the middle. You can't take any part of a picture that's not the subject and say it complies to the rules


So the shot maybe happenstance. But don’t you think that there were multiple similar shots taken of this girl? Closer, more graphic shots of her? This was the one chosen because of both the story it tells as well as the aesthetics. The permanent photographic exhibit at the Viet Nam Museum in Saigon is a must see for photographers. The photographers were artists as well as crazy brave when you see the quality of their work. Much of the exhibit consists of “last roll” photos, the final shots before the photojournalist was killed.

Obeying rules of artistic aesthetics, the rule of thirds being one of them, has been a focus of art for centuries. It was a point of difference between Raphael and Leonardo vs Michelangelo. A form of this conversation was probably present with cave art and petroglyphs. The discussion won’t ever stop

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Jul 23, 2022 15:07:58   #
EJMcD
 
Burkley wrote:
The famous shot of Phan Thị Kim Phúc, the napalm girl, roughly obeys the rule of 3rds. The row of soldiers in the background, the boy to the left is in the foreground and the girl and the other children in the mid ground. The kid to the left, the girl and a soldier and the kids to the right and 2 soldiers create the vertical thirds.


I don't mean to offend you but that image (famous though it was) has always been disturbing to me. There are many more viewer friendly examples of the Rule of Thirds.

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Jul 23, 2022 15:11:41   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
EJMcD wrote:
I don't mean to offend you but that image (famous though it was) has always been disturbing to me. There are many more viewer friendly examples of the Rule of Thirds.


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Jul 23, 2022 15:27:25   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
you are a photographer when you follow the rules, you are an artist when you break the rules.
Rule of thirds can be bent to get different effects, You photograph a person near a very interesting door. You place the door following rule of 3rds. people will see the person but their eye will be drawn to the door.
You may shoot wildlife but make something interesting in the background as rule of 3rds . There are lots of ways to use the rule and many hints when using, such as using empty space. Look at Luncheon on the Boating Party by Renoir ...... What stands out? The girl placed using rule of 3rds and spacing ......
Photography school we had maybe a week on rule of 3rds and different ways to use it.

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Jul 23, 2022 16:24:42   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
EJMcD wrote:
I don't mean to offend you but that image (famous though it was) has always been disturbing to me. There are many more viewer friendly examples of the Rule of Thirds.


The image is supposed to be disturbing. It illustrates the horror of war.

Vietnam was the first war covered extensively on TV and the first war photographed extensively in color. It was also the second major conflict after WWII that had no real value for American involvement other than building up our military-industrial complex. I lost two high school friends to that war.

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Jul 23, 2022 16:33:30   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
burkphoto wrote:
The image is supposed to be disturbing. It illustrates the horror of war.

Vietnam was the first war covered extensively on TV and the first war photographed extensively in color. It was also the second major conflict after WWII that had no real value for American involvement other than building up our military-industrial complex.

While true, we don't have to like its use as an example for composition.
It would however, be excellent as an example about the nastiness of war.

How about a beheading that shows perfect composition?

Besides, that's not the first, second, or third time that particular image has shown up on UHH as an example for something.
I wonder if it's the same guy that has posted it multiple times,
because he likes it. Maybe not.
But to each his own.
Just don't tell me why I should like it..........
There are much better examples of composition in the world.

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Jul 23, 2022 17:25:37   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
autofocus wrote:
Let me start by saying kudos for a terrific post and subject, and one that many can benefit by. As for my thoughts on the subject I believe in the rules or guidelines, and use and adherence to them does, and will make a difference in one's work. And there's nothing new about them having been used and developed by the masters over the centuries, and who am I to say "they should be broken." I think we have three schools of shooters to consider, and maybe some would fit into all three categories of them. One, you have the photographer who wants to create art in their work, and the rules mean a lot to those folks. Then you have the casual shooter who's mostly interested in some memory shots of the family, or the places they visited. And maybe for those folks a tree branch "growing" out of their granddaughter's head is less of a problem, it's all about capturing that moment and having it to cling to. And, lastly, the photojournalistic photographer where the photo is all about impact, and the rules are often not even considered. I think a good example of that would be that classic Vietnam era photo of that little Vietnamese girl running and crying with much of her clothing burned off from napalm. I'd doubt if that photographer was too concerned about the rules when he shot that. But, the impact will be long remembered.
The rules of design and composition are just a part of it, but a good part, IMO. You might add some subsets about some of the guidelines about the types and styles of lighting used, portrait do's and don'ts like where to crop, and where not to crop, or just where and how to place the hands in a portrait. Books with full chapters are written about these things. But, when it comes to the category one folks mentioned above all of these things become important, and can be a wonderful study. And it's all what makes photography the interesting subject that it is. And in this shot below I knowingly broke a few of the rules. :)
Let me start by saying kudos for a terrific post a... (show quote)


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