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Jul 17, 2022 13:34:03   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
sheldon minsky wrote:
I heard that the new F150 will run on political flatulence


If that were to happen, they would run forever and there is so much of it, it would be really cheap.

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Jul 17, 2022 13:34:21   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.


Except he was the master of black and white manipulation. Yes, he probably would have done better than most of us SOOC. But his zone system, choice of film, choice of developer for that film, choice of print paper for that image, choice of developer for that print paper, and all the dodging and burning required, were decided before he clicked the shutter.

If he were alive today, he would love the cameras and software that exist today - and would still shoot better than most of us.

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Jul 17, 2022 13:35:02   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The math of a beautiful image is easy: it has twice the megapixels of your current sensor and didn't involve a mirror.

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Jul 17, 2022 13:35:29   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
nealbralley wrote:
You most certainly do not need a mirrorless camera to become a better photographer. You need to, at least initially, read and study a good deal on exposure and composition, become familiar with your camera, and practice taking photographs in many settings. You don't need the most expensive cameras, a mirrorless camera, or the most expensive lenses. A good photographer will get a good, or a great shot, with the camera in hand!

If you aren't yet a fully competent photographer, mirrorless isn't going to solve you challenge, nor will a DSLR alone for that matter. Education and practice makes perfect.

Don't believe the hype!
You most certainly do not need a mirrorless camera... (show quote)



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Jul 17, 2022 13:40:13   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
With some cameras you just get lucky, with a mirrorless camera you make your luck.


I rarely take what you would call a very good photograph but I enjoy it anyway. I very much doubt that I would be any better when using a morrorless camera. You "make your luck" no matter what the mechanics of the camera are. You either have the eye and mind set or you don't and the type of camera you use won't change that one bit.

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Jul 17, 2022 13:47:39   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
stanikon wrote:
Sorry but I respectfully disagree. Do you think having a mirrorless camera would have made Ansel Adams a better photographer? What's behind the camera is much more important than what's in the camera.


Reality check. He knows that. He's being sarcastic, as he often is. The other side of him is an excellent source of information on things like Lightroom and Photoshop. He has praised cameras such as the Nikon D750. Don't take him literally when he gets says things like this.

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Jul 17, 2022 13:56:44   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
sheldon minsky wrote:
I heard that the new F150 will run on political flatulence


Now that is an inexhaustible source for power! A long term solution to our energy needs. But unfortunately the greenies (luddites?) have called for a ban on flatulence because it contains methane.

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Jul 17, 2022 13:58:39   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
stanikon wrote:
I rarely take what you would call a very good photograph but I enjoy it anyway. I very much doubt that I would be any better when using a morrorless camera. You "make your luck" no matter what the mechanics of the camera are. You either have the eye and mind set or you don't and the type of camera you use won't change that one bit.


You don’t understand. If you took it with a mirrorless camera it would most definitely be better. ;)

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Jul 17, 2022 14:00:25   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
stanikon wrote:
I rarely take what you would call a very good photograph but I enjoy it anyway. I very much doubt that I would be any better when using a morrorless camera. You "make your luck" no matter what the mechanics of the camera are. You either have the eye and mind set or you don't and the type of camera you use won't change that one bit.


A good photograph can be made better by just buying a mirrorless camera.

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Jul 17, 2022 14:00:36   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
nealbralley wrote:
You most certainly do not need a mirrorless camera to become a better photographer.


I think that depends on your needs. If you NEED a silent camera with a phenomenal frame rate capable of excellent video, then you simply have to look to mirrorless. Let's also bring up IBIS, which does improve the keeper rate at slow shutter speeds. DSLRs are being banned in some settings because of the noise they make. Autofocus when shooting video relies on contrast detection (Nikon D780 excepted), which is slow and hunts, and you can't use a viewfinder with a DSLR when taking video.

No one would claim that these features are a substitute for learning the basics of photography, both the technical ones and composition, but they do expand the horizons for some people.

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Jul 17, 2022 14:37:31   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
wdross wrote:
Some people do not know where to look on the internet to find what is true and what is not true. Therefore, to make it easy on themselves, everything on the internet is "fake news". I feel sorry for them since I do not know where they get most of their information. I manage through the internet, paper sources, and TV, but it is necessary to understand how to sort the "wheat" from the "chafe". I do not think most people are that good at it. Sometimes it even leaves me mind boggled.
Some people do not know where to look on the inter... (show quote)


Uh, I believe that mirrorless cameras will overtake and force dSLRs out of the market within five years. That is from reading comments from folks in the industry.

Profit margins are almost always higher for new technologies, even when costs are lower or the same. Intrigue, mystique, lust, desire, and real need are powerful forces.

I had a practical need for what mirrorless gear offered, which is why I switched seven years ago. But I'd bet the vast majority of folks do it to follow the crowd or because they're curious.

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Jul 17, 2022 14:48:01   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
burkphoto wrote:
Uh, I believe that mirrorless cameras will overtake and force dSLRs out of the market within five years. That is from reading comments from folks in the industry.

Profit margins are almost always higher for new technologies, even when costs are lower or the same. Intrigue, mystique, lust, desire, and real need are powerful forces.

I had a practical need for what mirrorless gear offered, which is why I switched seven years ago. But I'd bet the vast majority of folks do it to follow the crowd or because they're curious.
Uh, I believe that mirrorless cameras will overtak... (show quote)


I think you are correct on all counts. I will never switch to mirrorless for several reasons. One is that I have not yet fully mastered my D500 and doubt that I ever will, although I really enjoy using it. Another is that I am now retired and on a fixed income and, with inflation being what it is, I can no longer afford to dabble in new technology that I don't need. I have managed to get my GAS under control for the most part so I shall just keep on keeping on.

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Jul 17, 2022 14:51:02   #
gwilliams6
 
stanikon wrote:
I rarely take what you would call a very good photograph but I enjoy it anyway. I very much doubt that I would be any better when using a morrorless camera. You "make your luck" no matter what the mechanics of the camera are. You either have the eye and mind set or you don't and the type of camera you use won't change that one bit.


Sounds wonderful, but not exactly true. As a worldwide award winning pro with over 48 years in the business and also as a longtime Professor of Photography at a state university , I can tell you that gear DOES matter. Gear can help you get that shot or help cause you to miss that shot.

Mirrorless cameras with their faster frame rates, their blackout free EVFs that show you all your setting effects and histogram BEFORE you shoot, their far superior autofocus speed, accuracy, tracking abilities with focus taken directly off the image sensor, their lighter weight and size, their lack of need for lens focusing calibration ever, their no mirror bounce to compensate for, their true silent shooting, and so much more , all can make a difference in getting the shot or missing the shot.

Talent and vision is key, but the right gear plays a huge part in your success as a photographer, decades of shooting all subjects around the world including war conflict have shown me this.

Those that still cling to the thoughts that it makes no difference have either never used the best mirrorless or just need to justify the place of DSLRs as their chosen option in a vastly changed world of photographic innovation and performance.

Be happy and use what you have and are comfortable with, and is paid for already. But the reality is there are cameras now with better features and better performance that NO DSLR will be ever able to physically have, just the fact, and those cameras are mirrorless.

Camera makers know this and all their flagship cameras with all the best tech, innovation and performance are mirrorless now.

Listen to Top Wildlife Pro and longtime DSLR user Mark Smith talk about his revelations that lead him from DSLRs to mirrorless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ruQVtSqnYo

Cheers and best to you all.
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Jul 17, 2022 14:59:25   #
JimGrog Loc: Wash DC Area
 


I have twice as much invested in DSLR FX lenses as I do in the camera. It will be quite a while before I look for a replacement camera other than the type I have now.

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Jul 17, 2022 15:04:08   #
gwilliams6
 
JimGrog wrote:
I have twice as much invested in DSLR FX lenses as I do in the camera. It will be quite a while before I look for a replacement camera other than the type I have now.


Use what you have money invested in, but know you can likely use a manufacturer's adapter and use those DSLR lenses on a mirrorless body and reap some of the benefits of modern mirrorless without blowing any budget to do a total switch.

There is saying, "you date your camera bodies, you marry your good lenses."

Cheers and best to you.

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