chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA

What the second amendment does is actually to restrict the government from interfering in the assumed natural right to keep and bear arms.
That is why I said it doesn't give us any right.
The pre-existing right is already assumed to exist.

alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ

Never said that, however there are rights we have as people, such as Right to travel, Right to believe in whatever religion you want, Right of free speach and life. Those Rights are only a few of the Natural Rights that aren't bestowed on us by government but they were acknowledged by the Declaration of Independence and Constitution to make sure Government knew it has no lawful power to take them away. Whether you believe in a Creator or some bush is entirely up to you and Government doesn't have the authority to take it away. Here’s a bit of The Declaration of Independence to help with your misunderstanding.

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. 

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Says the genius who wants to blame Earl Warren for the roe v wade decision.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Only in this country. If it is a God given right, why is it only a right here?

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

The declaration of independence has no legal standing. If it did the recent supreme court ruling would violate "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" which are called rights.

alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ

I would disagree wholeheartedly. I've heard that argument, however it is The Declaration that brought about the reason for The Constitution, therefore neither one stands on its own. You can't just declare your independence without having something to guide your society otherwise you are lawless.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

The constitution is law. The declaration is not. The constitution lags the declaration by more than 10 years, making your statement that you can't declare independence without a constitution sound a bit like nonsense.

Tex-s

The Articles of Confederation represent the first try at forming a government designed to uphold the ideals of the Declaration. The Articles created a central government FAR weaker than what was formed under the subsequent Constitution. The actual ideal was to create a system with the weakest, least invasive government. To that end, the ‘pre-founding’ actually created a system with a federal government that proved to be too weak to do its fundamental duties. Currency could not be standardized or regulated. An army could not be created nor funded….

Our current Constitution was a revised look at retaining the ideals of individual liberty espoused in the Declaration. That the documents were penned many years apart is not evidence of a disconnect. It is evidence that those who created our system were seeking a system of severely restricted governance, and that they reluctantly had to grant at least some federal powers they first denied.

alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ

You stated this much better than I.

btbg

That's nuts. The Declaration of Independence is the foundation for the Constitution and Bill of Rights. More importantly in this discussion, the Declaration of Independence puts Life first and then liberty. The Roe V Wade ruling may actually help preserve some lives despite Biden's recent executive action trying to make it easier for people to get abortions. And, the gun ruling allows each of us to protect ourselves, once again putting life first followed by liberty.

For the first time in years the Supreme Court actually appears to be paying attention to the Declaration of Independence. It's about time.