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Jun 21, 2022 20:00:44   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Frank T wrote:
No one who is like you is watching the hearings.
Many in the country are and you would do yourself a favor and tune in yourself, so you wouldn't look so ignorant.



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Jun 21, 2022 20:02:41   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
btbg wrote:
How about trying to explain why the democrat party has supported the lying self serving con-man Joe Biden. He has spent 46 years in politics enriching his family, while consistently lying. Trump had four years in politics. So, why the hate for one liar while you have not said one critical thing about a liar with 46 years of public lying?

If you don't like policy, that's fine. No problem, despite the fact that Trump's policies were clearly working better than Biden's are. But to hate a man for demonstrating the same characteristics of the man your party elected president, that makes no sense.
How about trying to explain why the democrat party... (show quote)


What about the hearings, or did you get side tracked with deflections again?

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Jun 21, 2022 20:16:14   #
gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky
 
Architect1776 wrote:

All Americans know for an indisputable fact that this is nothing different than a Soviet show trial with the verdict already written.
The final act will be to vote to impeach Trump again even though he will have been out of office for nearly two years.


You seem to be quite the expert on the 1/6 investigation. Exactly how much of the actual testimony have you watched? When did any "Soviet trial show" ever allow the overwhelming majority of testimony to come from members of the opposing party?

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Jun 21, 2022 20:31:02   #
mflowe Loc: Port Deposit, MD
 
gorgehiker wrote:
You seem to be quite the expert on the 1/6 investigation. Exactly how much of the actual testimony have you watched? When did any "Soviet trial show" ever allow the overwhelming majority of testimony to come from members of the opposing party?


The same one that won't allow any cross examination of witnesses.

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Jun 22, 2022 00:37:53   #
btbg
 
DaveO wrote:
What about the hearings, or did you get side tracked with deflections again?


What the hearings show is that Trump is and always has been a carnival barker who can not admit he is wrong or has lost. That is nothing new. We have known that since before he ran for office.

The hearings are so one sided and illegitimate that I see no reason to pay very much attention to them. After all, Schiff is back to saying that they have proof against Trump just like he said about Russia. Of course he lied then. Why would I believe he is telling the truth now?

Barr's testimony is all I needed to hear. He was very clear that once group of Trump's advisors told him he lost and the other group told him there was fraud. Trump chose to believe the second group. That is foolish, but not a crime.

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Jun 22, 2022 05:18:15   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
btbg wrote:
What the hearings show is that Trump is and always has been a carnival barker who can not admit he is wrong or has lost. That is nothing new. We have known that since before he ran for office.

The hearings are so one sided and illegitimate that I see no reason to pay very much attention to them. After all, Schiff is back to saying that they have proof against Trump just like he said about Russia. Of course he lied then. Why would I believe he is telling the truth now?

Barr's testimony is all I needed to hear. He was very clear that once group of Trump's advisors told him he lost and the other group told him there was fraud. Trump chose to believe the second group. That is foolish, but not a crime.
What the hearings show is that Trump is and always... (show quote)


You are quite selective with what you choose to cherry pick and interpret to suit your agenda. You should be aware that you are not the only one to view the hearings.

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Jun 22, 2022 10:09:19   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
btbg wrote:
I know what your thread is about. That does not mean I am not asking a legitimate question. You would get much further with the conservatives on this site if you were honest about the behavior of democrat politicians such as Clinton, Biden, Schiff and Schumer.

Much of the reason that we do not believe what is going on with the 1/6 committee has to do with how Schiff lied about Trump and Russia, the fact that Pelosi did not have the committee follow the rules that were set for the committee and the fact that they are not even questioning anyone who gives a different narrative about what happened on 1/6, including the FBI agent that acknowledged to Ted Cruz in a hearing in January that there were FBI agents in the crowd on 1/6. We now also know that there were District of Columbia undercover police in the crowd as well. But no one is asking if those individuals helped incite the rioting, like we know happened with the plot to kidnap Michigan governor Whitmer.

They are also not investigation why the offer of National Guard troops was declined. You want us to take the hearings seriously then you need to be honest about how the hearings are being conducted and about the integrity of democrat politicians.

We have been listening to you bash Trump for four years. In that time not one word about the egregious behavior of democrats. We have all acknowledged that Trump is a jerk, but your hate of the man is blinding you to what progressives are doing to this country. So, no, I am not deflecting.
I know what your thread is about. That does not me... (show quote)


Well said.

Of all the politicians who have harmed our country such as Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Clinton, Waters, etc. who deserve such hate, I personally cannot summon such transparently vain hatred like 9v's obsession for a man who is not running for anything in '22, and a man who led our country with strength and competence to prosperity and peace during his tenure.

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Jun 22, 2022 10:26:20   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Many Republicans and mainstream media commentators have intoned that the House Jan. 6 committee’s hearings wouldn’t draw ratings or change voters’ minds. That was wrong. In fact, the evidence presented thus far has been far more impactful than the punditocracy predicted.

The first hearing, shown in prime time, generated close to 20 million viewers. The next, during midmorning, attracted 11 million. But even that misses the true impact.
The hearings have dominated front pages and figured prominently in network and cable TV news coverage. People are discussing them widely on social media. The question is no longer about Donald Trump’s role in the attempted coup (there is no doubt his fingerprints are all over it); instead, the country is avidly debating whether there is sufficient evidence of Trump’s corrupt intent to prosecute him for it.

One poll from Democratic firm Navigator Research found that “the House investigation is garnering attention from the public, with 63 percent of respondents saying they have heard ‘a lot’ or ‘some’ about the hearings." Even more telling: “An increasing number of Americans believe that it is important to uncover the truth behind the attempted coup; respondents said that the hearings were important by a 15-point margin, up five points from April.” That increase is largely driven by independents, 45 percent of whom now say the investigation is important, compared with 26 percent who say the opposite

Other polls confirm these findings. A new ABC News-Ipsos poll released on Sunday found that 58 percent of Americans think Trump should be charged criminally, up about six points from a similar poll in April.

There is also some anecdotal evidence that the hearings are getting through even among some Republicans. Retiring Michigan Rep. Fred Upton had this exchange with Dana Bash on CNN’s “State of the Union”:

BASH: Do you think the case the Jan. 6 Committee is presenting is resonating with moderate Republican voters and independents?
UPTON: Yes, I think so.

I think the overriding issue certainly is the economy and gas prices. But I think there's been real interest in what's going on. You have got, obviously, your different factions that are not going to turn it on and watch. They made their decision some time ago.
But, yes, I think that it’s had an impact on voters across the country. And we will see how this thing plays out. The committee has been very careful not to divulge any details in advance of their hearings.

As the hearings continue this week and beyond, the country will learn even more about Trump’s involvement. Committee member Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) on NBC News’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday suggested that more evidence and “tips” are coming in. That’s a critical benefit of public hearings: Those sitting on the fence might feel more comfortable coming forward. Other witnesses might not have realized the importance of information they’ve had all along.

In other words, the amount and value of evidence that Trump was at the center of the coup plot will only continue to build. Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), another committee member, recently suggested there is evidence that Trump was directly involved in the scheme to come up with alternative slates of electors.

The serious tenor of the coverage and widespread interest in the evidence have several consequences. The first is that it might influence critical prosecutors, such as Fani Willis in Fulton County, Ga. She will no doubt be avidly watching Tuesday’s testimony from two Georgia state officials regarding the efforts of Trump and then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to pressure election officials to “find” just enough votes to flip the state. And depending on the testimony of other witnesses such as Rusty Bowers, the Republican speaker of Arizona’s House of Representatives, other state investigations might be possible.

Second, the committee has already heightened interest in another promising line of inquiry: Trump’s alleged scheme to raise money for his campaign’s election lawsuits through what the committee says is a nonexistent fund. Committee member Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) explained that “the average donation was under $20” and that “these were donors who were not rich, but they responded to his appeals, which were fraudulent. And I don’t think that’s right.” Whether the alleged scam raises criminal or civil liability will no doubt be the subject of vigorous investigation among state prosecutors, state attorneys general and class-action lawyers. Without the hearings, it’s doubtful that ever would have occurred.

Third, in the event the Justice Department decides not to prosecute Trump and his closest cronies, Attorney General Merrick Garland will be under tremendous pressure to justify why the mound of evidence is not enough. Garland has vowed to ignore all politics, and his decision will inevitably involve whether he thinks a jury can find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If anything, public expectations might be shifting such that a refusal to prosecute would seem shocking to most Americans.

In sum, the hearings are already having a palpable impact on the public’s perception of Trump and on state officials as they contemplate their next steps. In the end, the public might not be surprised if they lead to multiple actions against the former president and his closest aides."

Jennifer Rubin
"Many Republicans and mainstream media commen... (show quote)


Yet no one can get the true story about the involvement, if any, of Federal Agencies, in fomenting the anarchy as has been suggested repeatedly. Only when all information is declassified and made available to the public will a huge segment of the population support a charge agains Trump.

Do not confuse this with support for Trump. I think he is an ignorant Ass who does not care about anyone or anything other than himself, and I have never case a vote for him and I never will.

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Jun 22, 2022 10:49:56   #
srg
 
Architect1776 wrote:
So you prefer hyper inflation, highest ever gas prices, unprecedented shortages, except for war, laughing stock of the world, begging for oil from our enemies, unprecedented crimes in the cities of the nation, open borders bringing drugs, and child selling.
All these are crimes against humanity and FJB owns them all.


Don't forget climate change and the disappearance of Monarch butterlys. Biden caused those too. I still can't forgive him for messing up my sneakers that I've had for years. They were fine during tRump.

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Jun 22, 2022 10:53:40   #
mflowe Loc: Port Deposit, MD
 
srg wrote:
Don't forget climate change and the disappearance of Monarch butterlys. Biden caused those too. I still can't forgive him for messing up my sneakers that I've had for years. They were fine during tRump.


I see you've found time between deceitfully editing your posts to make fun of other people's suffering. Shows what kind of person you are.

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Jun 22, 2022 12:29:02   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
mflowe wrote:
I see you've found time between deceitfully editing your posts to make fun of other people's suffering. Shows what kind of person you are.


And unfortunately for you, your postings show you for what you are.

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Jun 22, 2022 12:32:36   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
thom w wrote:
And unfortunately for you, your postings show you for what you are.


He has heard that before, but the poor clown can’t help himself.

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Jun 22, 2022 12:50:54   #
mflowe Loc: Port Deposit, MD
 
thom w wrote:
And unfortunately for you, your postings show you for what you are.


You have absolutely no idea what I'm referring to regarding srg. That's between he/she/it and me. So stay in your lane.

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Jun 22, 2022 12:52:57   #
mflowe Loc: Port Deposit, MD
 
DaveO wrote:
He has heard that before, but the poor clown can’t help himself.


You have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about regarding srg. That's between he/she/it/they and me. So you should just stay in your lane where you belong.

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Jun 22, 2022 12:55:14   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
mflowe wrote:
You have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about regarding srg. That's between he/she/it/they and me. So you should just stay in your lane where you belong.


Actually, you have no idea what you’re talking about and the rest of us don’t really care.

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