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Jun 8, 2022 07:28:54   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Jerry - Northlandz in Flemington NJ claims to be the largest model train setup in the world.

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Jun 8, 2022 07:49:22   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I watched a YouTube video about the largest model train setup in some state. There was a large sign that said something like "No 360° Cameras". Do you have any idea why they would ban them? The sign didn't mention drones.


The do not want you to imitate what they may have spent a great deal of time creating...at least with one shot. similar as going to an art show and taking pictures of their pictures.

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Jun 8, 2022 08:27:23   #
MrPhotog
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I watched a YouTube video about the largest model train setup in some state. There was a large sign that said something like "No 360° Cameras". Do you have any idea why they would ban them? The sign didn't mention drones.


If I saw a billboard alongside an interstate highway with that message I would assume it was a protest over dashcams that record the road and the driver at the same time.

Trucking companies have been installing these over the past few years, and their drivers have been highly unenthusiastic about them.

Some cameras are on all the time and others are triggered by a sudden braking event, a bumpy road, or even driving over wet railroad tracks (the tires slip and spin faster, triggering the antilock braking system), or activation of the radar collision avoidance system when a car cuts on front of the truck.

The pretense is that this is a safety feature, however drivers have been disciplined for behavior, like eating, checking a GPS (looks like illegal texting on a cell phone), or smoking in the employer’s truck.

Drivers detest the invasion of their privacy, the ‘big brother’ attitude of their employers, and the people who review the videos, but have no knowledge of trucking.

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Jun 8, 2022 08:46:17   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
yssirk123 wrote:
Jerry - Northlandz in Flemington NJ claims to be the largest model train setup in the world.


Do you know how many layouts claim that? I've been to several of the largest. They must have different ways of measuring - most track, most trains, tallest?

I think I went to that one in NJ years ago. It was definitely large.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=largest+model+train+layout

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Jun 8, 2022 08:49:38   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
MrPhotog wrote:
If I saw a billboard alongside an interstate highway with that message I would assume it was a protest over dashcams that record the road and the driver at the same time.

Trucking companies have been installing these over the past few years, and their drivers have been highly unenthusiastic about them.

Some cameras are on all the time and others are triggered by a sudden braking event, a bumpy road, or even driving over wet railroad tracks (the tires slip and spin faster, triggering the antilock braking system), or activation of the radar collision avoidance system when a car cuts on front of the truck.

The pretense is that this is a safety feature, however drivers have been disciplined for behavior, like eating, checking a GPS (looks like illegal texting on a cell phone), or smoking in the employer’s truck.

Drivers detest the invasion of their privacy, the ‘big brother’ attitude of their employers, and the people who review the videos, but have no knowledge of trucking.
If I saw a billboard alongside an interstate highw... (show quote)


My car has cameras front and rear.

I can understand a truck driver not wanting to be on camera, but why? I've seen some ridiculous moves by truck drivers. If a camera would prevent that, let them roll!

If you see a small white dome on top of a truck, that's tracking everything that's going on: driving, stops, speed, engine temp, oil pressure, etc.

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Jun 8, 2022 08:50:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
pithydoug wrote:
The do not want you to imitate what they may have spent a great deal of time creating...at least with one shot. similar as going to an art show and taking pictures of their pictures.


Photography is fine, as long as it's not 360°, and his answer didn't explain anything.

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Jun 8, 2022 09:08:07   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
MrPhotog wrote:
If I saw a billboard alongside an interstate highway with that message I would assume it was a protest over dashcams that record the road and the driver at the same time.

Trucking companies have been installing these over the past few years, and their drivers have been highly unenthusiastic about them.

Some cameras are on all the time and others are triggered by a sudden braking event, a bumpy road, or even driving over wet railroad tracks (the tires slip and spin faster, triggering the antilock braking system), or activation of the radar collision avoidance system when a car cuts on front of the truck.

The pretense is that this is a safety feature, however drivers have been disciplined for behavior, like eating, checking a GPS (looks like illegal texting on a cell phone), or smoking in the employer’s truck.

Drivers detest the invasion of their privacy, the ‘big brother’ attitude of their employers, and the people who review the videos, but have no knowledge of trucking.
If I saw a billboard alongside an interstate highw... (show quote)


Some truth and but mostly BS. It's not just blanket invasion of privacy the big brother kaka! Trucking companies have rules for drivers witch correlate to accidents or illegal driving and actions that cause their insurance rates to go up. It's to prevent drivers from using their cell phones, smoking and any other distraction. And yes, they are pissed when caught doing these things and they are reviewed by people that can tell see the driver breaking the rules not some crystal ball as you imply. Videos work both ways, They verify you are playing nice, but also catch you breaking the rules.

If they don't like the rules, then don't work for them but they are clearly stated. Is it big brother when they police catch you speeding and get a ticket or talking on a cell phone?

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Jun 8, 2022 09:10:34   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
pithydoug wrote:
If they don't like the rules, then don't work for them but they are clearly stated. Is it big brother when they police catch you speeding and get a ticket or talking on a cell phone?


I wonder if CB use while driving is against the law. There's not much difference between phone and CB. You're talking into something you're holding in your hand, and the conversation is a partial distraction.

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Jun 8, 2022 10:50:09   #
Peter Boyd Loc: Blyth nr. Newcastle U.K.
 
jerryc41 wrote:


Can be very useful when photographing a crime scene.

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Jun 8, 2022 16:17:01   #
ecommons
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I watched a YouTube video about the largest model train setup in some state. There was a large sign that said something like "No 360° Cameras". Do you have any idea why they would ban them? The sign didn't mention drones.


There are such thing as a 360 degree camera. Older ones used film? You may have to explain this to younger photographers. Basically the ones I saw had lenses that had a 180 degree lens. You took a picture, rotated the camera and took the other pictures. These were stitched together in a darkroom. (You may have to explain that to the younger photographers.

They are available in digital today

The best 360 cameras are highly specialized tools, enabling you to capture photographs and videos that are utterly unique.

Able to shoot images and footage in a navigable 360-degree space, the best 360 cameras can be used to create interactive content that can be navigated with a mouse or touchscreen. There's nothing quite as immersive as 360-degree imagery, whether you're capturing an epic landscape, a bustling street scene, or even a breath-taking bike ride through thundering terrain.

While 360-degree files are big and unwieldy (often requiring you to stitch together video from more than one camera), and require the right software to process, they are incredibly useful and versatile.

You don't only have to use them to create 360-degree content though; you can also dive in post-capture and pick out a slice of the scene that you want to convert into a more traditional "flat" image or video. This means you can use a 360-degree camera as a great kind of catch-all camera, for moments when you want to capture the action but aren't sure where it's going to be happening.

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Jun 8, 2022 16:53:49   #
nervous2 Loc: Provo, Utah
 
yssirk123 wrote:
Jerry - Northlandz in Flemington NJ claims to be the largest model train setup in the world.


What gauge?

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Jun 8, 2022 18:52:37   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I knew someone who had a 360 degree camera, probably around 10-15 years ago. It was a vertical cylinder with a 45 degree mirror on the top. The cylinder was held above the users head and the camera rotated on the handle below it, taking pictures in the process. The pictures were combined into a panorama that covered 360 degrees. And since the user held it up above his/her head, there were no faces in the way.

At the time I considered it a toy. My opinion hasn't changed much. But the Google Earth camera cars probably work on much the same principle.

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Jun 8, 2022 21:21:05   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rmalarz wrote:
Maybe 360° would melt some, if not all, of the setup.
--Bob



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Jun 9, 2022 00:26:27   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
I don't get why a 360° camera has to be a specialized thing these days. Perhaps I should check, but can't you do that with a smartphone, shooting in panorama? Just mount onto a tripod and rotate the head all the way around.
As for why the restriction, I don't know. But it could be related to it being possibly disruptive to other guests, with all the fussing that might be involved.

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Jun 9, 2022 05:23:58   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
I have an attachment that can be used with practically any camera that allows a 360° FOV to be recorded in a single shot. This 'Kaidan 360' is basically a parabolic mirrored cone mounted directly in front of the lens.
Results are rather quirky, & distort things far too much to be any use in copying a railway layout:
NEPW - P1080495 small by Mike Kanssen, on Flickr
Similar devices are sold for phone cameras & are much more compact.

My only thought on reasons they might not like them being used is the photographer will want the camera to be over the centre of the layout to get a good picture...

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