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May 31, 2022 15:45:09   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
MrBob wrote:
Can't speak for everyone in the south, but I live in Alabama and am proud of it... Yes, we are a poor state and maybe in the past have not always exhibited the best values, but where I live in NE Alabama our communities are tight knit and try to live by traditional christian values. Our Gov. has brought many jobs to Alabama and Huntsville is one of the fastest growing industrial areas in the country. Hopefully she will repeat as Gov. as she is Pro jobs, Anti abortion, and FOR traditional values. We are lacking traditional values in the home, and it shows in our society, regardless of who is in the WH. Way too many pointing fingers and folks NOT taking care of business in their own communities.
Can't speak for everyone in the south, but I live ... (show quote)


Huntsville has always been in the century the current calendar indicates. The rest of Alabama? Not so much.

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May 31, 2022 16:02:31   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
WNYShooter wrote:
22LR ammo is notorious for ricochets, and that is exactly what it does inside a body when it hits bone at anything other than flat straight on.

Also, 22LR segmented ammo, specifically designed to break into 3 or 4 pieces on impact, has been available for a good many years. Off the top of my head, Win Silvertip is one such. CCI has had a number of models over the years as well.


Sorry but a .22 does not ricochet inside a body. I have never heard that, have never seen that in animals I have killed nor have I seen that in coroner cases.

The only Winchester Silvertip ammunition I have ever heard of is a bullet for centerfire rifle cartridges. I cannot recall a .22 rimfiire called the Silvertip. I would love to see a reference to it if you can provide one. I will also look it up for my own edification too.

CCI does make a segmented .22 bullet but I have never used one.

Dennis

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May 31, 2022 16:13:56   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
"Here you are like a little ignorant kid who has never even met me, have not the faintest idea who I am"....

You don't know that!


OMG!!! Just when I get to thinking you could never again make a ridiculous comment such as you made in the past you up and surprise me/all of us, with this one. Thanks for once AGAIN losing the discussion with no help from me, all by yourself.

ANNNNT!!! There goes the buzzer. You LOSE once again. Sorry but no consolation prize.

Dennis

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May 31, 2022 18:01:59   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You are admitting then that semi auto firearms were used in America for over 100 years with no problem. That must mean it ain’t the gun but political policies that have changed. Life used to be respected in America. It isn’t any longer. Abortions kill thousands and only the Conservatives care. A woman’s right to choose to murder her baby takes precedence. Fentanyl kills thousands but only Conservatives give a damn. It appears the right of a person to use illegal drugs takes precedence.

Dennis
You are admitting then that semi auto firearms wer... (show quote)


Admitting? I never denied it.

Tex - "We start by admitting that any semi-auto firepower is plenty good enough to assault crowded, unsuspecting victims."

Dennis - "Life used to be respected in America. It isn’t any longer. " The Tulsa Massacre didn't matter to America for 100 years.

The thing that has changed? Now we have (mostly) random white people killing (mostly) random white people with semi-auto fire power. People have noticed.

The killers have to be slowed down and at a disadvantage when the good guys with semi-autos show up.

Seems pretty basic. Not everyone gets to legally own semi-autos.

Still plenty of awesome home defense available with the ordinary leftover guns.

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May 31, 2022 18:40:34   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
dennis2146 wrote:
OMG!!! Just when I get to thinking you could never again make a ridiculous comment such as you made in the past you up and surprise me/all of us, with this one. Thanks for once AGAIN losing the discussion with no help from me, all by yourself.

ANNNNT!!! There goes the buzzer. You LOSE once again. Sorry but no consolation prize.

Dennis


If you only had a brain.

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May 31, 2022 20:32:56   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Texcaster wrote:
Admitting? I never denied it.

Tex - "We start by admitting that any semi-auto firepower is plenty good enough to assault crowded, unsuspecting victims."

Dennis - "Life used to be respected in America. It isn’t any longer. " The Tulsa Massacre didn't matter to America for 100 years.

The thing that has changed? Now we have (mostly) random white people killing (mostly) random white people with semi-auto fire power. People have noticed.

The killers have to be slowed down and at a disadvantage when the good guys with semi-autos show up.

Seems pretty basic. Not everyone gets to legally own semi-autos.

Still plenty of awesome home defense available with the ordinary leftover guns.
Admitting? I never denied it. br br Tex - "... (show quote)


Mostly random white people, killing mostly random white people, you say.

That is one of the best lies you have ever fabricated. Congratulations. How do you forget the truth which is blacks murdering blacks in Democratic run cities all across America? How do you forget blacks murdering police officers with those numbers reaching new highs under Biden due to the DEMOCRATIC Defund Police efforts? How can I say this pleasantly? Oh yes, you are a LIAR.

Dennis

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May 31, 2022 20:56:45   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Well, we can all breath so much easier now that you have told us you've never seen one and that it's all a figment of the imagination of your president.


https://gunmagwarehouse.com/kci-ar-15-223-5-56mm-100-round-gen-2-drum-magazine.html


Once again you are lying about what someone said. He SAID he had never seen one, NOT that they didn’t exist. Yet you, as a lying corrupt Left Winger felt the need to LIE to support your false position. Isn’t that just like you Left Wingers?

Dennis

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May 31, 2022 21:21:35   #
jsvend Loc: Indiana
 
Graham Thirkill wrote:
God help and save the innocent children of the USA. How many more child innocents are not going to come home from school one day. Instead they are going to be slaughtered by some crazy lunatic who found it quite simple to get hold of guns. Isn't it about time you get the message, that some sort of gun laws are urgently necessary, or can you live with these heinous atrocities. 27 school shootings have taken place so far this year and we are still only in May.
How would you feel if it was one of your children or grandchildren etc etc etc..... How can you live knowing your children are in danger by just going to school???

The U.S. has surpassed 200 mass shootings this year....
The Gun Violence Archive, an independent data collection organization, has counted 212 mass shootings that have occurred so far this year, as of Tuesday. It defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people were shot or killed, excluding the shooter.

Graham Thirkill
God help and save the innocent children of the USA... (show quote)

If the aim is to kill children then if you take away guns I will just use dinamite.
Is the aim to shoot guns or kill children?

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May 31, 2022 22:49:57   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Mostly random white people, killing mostly random white people, you say.

That is one of the best lies you have ever fabricated. Congratulations. How do you forget the truth which is blacks murdering blacks in Democratic run cities all across America? How do you forget blacks murdering police officers with those numbers reaching new highs under Biden due to the DEMOCRATIC Defund Police efforts? How can I say this pleasantly? Oh yes, you are a LIAR.

Dennis


Before you get all lathered and start flinging more NRA dogma around the place remember ... this thread about *mass killers in the US, specifically school mass killers.

Now you want to add all gun crime?. The connecting link? Semi-autos again Sheriff. Can you see the problem Boss?

Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and May 2022, by shooter's race or ethnicity

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

*MOSTLY random white people killing mostly random white people.

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Jun 1, 2022 00:21:07   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Texcaster wrote:
Before you get all lathered and start flinging more NRA dogma around the place remember ... this thread about *mass killers in the US, specifically school mass killers.

Now you want to add all gun crime?. The connecting link? Semi-autos again Sheriff. Can you see the problem Boss?

Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and May 2022, by shooter's race or ethnicity

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

*MOSTLY random white people killing mostly random white people.
Before you get all lathered and start flinging mor... (show quote)


Nope, sorry Left Winger, I ain’t seeing it. How is it you are unable blacks murdering blacks. The evidence is right in your grill. Problem is you on the Left refuse to blame blacks for crime because you want to protect them from the big ole whites. God, it must suck to be you.

Dennis

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Jun 1, 2022 00:24:49   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Nope, sorry Left Winger, I ain’t seeing it. How is it you are unable blacks murdering blacks. The evidence is right in your grill. Problem is you on the Left refuse to blame blacks for crime because you want to protect them from the big ole whites. God, it must suck to be you.

Dennis


Aye yai yai you're muy borracho cockroach

So give us the figures for black mass shoolers.

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Jun 1, 2022 07:34:44   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Juy wrote:
I may be in the minority but, this isn't a fix the gun law issue. This is a culture issue. How we raise our kids ,how we enforce existing laws. The lack of respect that people have for one another. You can outlaw the guns all you want , it does not and will not address the real problem. I feel for the families and the loss of these young lives. I would be destroyed if it was my grandkids. That said restricting guns is not and never will be the issue or cure. Talk to your children help them to understand and respect the value of life.except there are very bad apples, remove them from society and get them the real help they need. This is not an overnight fix or mandate , this will take a long time to cure. The FBI has said stop naming these people,don't make it a primary news item that focuses on the gun and shooter. Take away the fame. OK sorry for the rant, God help us, bring love into the hearts.
I may be in the minority but, this isn't a fix the... (show quote)


YOU ARE NOT IN THE MINORITY

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Jun 1, 2022 08:09:46   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Once again you are lying about what someone said. He SAID he had never seen one, NOT that they didn’t exist. Yet you, as a lying corrupt Left Winger felt the need to LIE to support your false position. Isn’t that just like you Left Wingers?

Dennis


YOU are one big estupida!

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Jun 1, 2022 09:25:02   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
Bison Bud wrote:
To those that continue to say that the 2nd Amendment's statement about a "Well Regulated Militia" is acceptable, but that we should still ban military type rifles, just what do you expect a well regulated militia to use? I think there is a good argument to be made that primarily because of this single statement, military type firearms must be available to individual citizens. Do you expect a militia to stand up against a force equipped with full automatic weapons, while they can only have single shot rifles? Maybe better than a sharp stick, but to have a chance there needs to be some parity in available weaponry for a militia to even exist. The founding fathers saw enough need for this to include it in the amendment to protect from tyrannical government as well as defend against invasion, riots, etc. It's really no different now than it was then and really boils down to the fact that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Yeah, we need to do something about these needless and repulsive shooting's, especially in our schools and other soft target/no gun areas, but taking the tools away from those that might actually be able to stop this sort of needless violence is a self defeating if not ridiculous proposition.

I said it earlier in this thread and I'm going to say it again now, the only thing that will have an immediate effect on these nut jobs and needless shootings is to harden security at these soft target, no gun areas, especially our schools. We need to protect those that can't protect themselves, especially our children! Until we take measures to protect ourselves, we will be at serious risk, but instead we insist that the gun is the problem and think we can actually eliminate them from the equation. How foolish and naive can we possibly be? Let's please try to do something that will actually make a difference rather than use these repulsive and needless events to try to promote long time political agendas.
To those that continue to say that the 2nd Amendme... (show quote)



When I was a kid, the local Army and ROTC had secured buildings where they stored, under lock & key, their military grade rifles.
There is really no reason why, the "well regulated militia" couldn't go back to that process - store your high powered weapons and have total access to them if/when needed.

You blame all this gun violence on mental health yet, you vote for those who want to destroy the mental health system in this country... Gov Abbott for example. Just how do you identify a person, who is going through a mental health situation, before they do something wrong... like buy a gun and go shoot up a school?

We have "trained" police who are responsible for keeping our schools safe. Many of you claim a gun insurance policy would not work, it would be too expensive. But, the very same people who say that, claim that we need to harden our schools, one entrance/exit (which the fire department might disagree with), give guns to the teachers, etc., don't seem to take into consideration that the "government" (state and local) would put that cost burden on the public.
If the "trained" police are afraid to go up against an AR-15, why would you expect the teachers to do it?

Gun insurance won't work but, paying to "harden" schools and train teachers to carry guns will?
Gun insurance is unfair?.... well, what about people who don't have kids and don't have guns? Is it fair that YOU push responsibility onto them over looking deeper into the gun issue?



To see if a high gun homicide rate is tied to lax gun laws, we looked at each state’s firearm homicide rate per 100,000 people from 2015-19 and compared that to its gun-friendliness score, where 1 is the least gun-friendly and 5 is the most gun-friendly. This score is based on individual state laws regarding things like background checks, permit requirements, and open carry rules.

These are the 20 states with the highest firearm homicide rates in the country along with their gun-friendliness scores:

Louisiana: 11.0 (3)
Mississippi: 10.2 (5)
Alabama: 9.5 (4)
Missouri: 8.5 (5)
Maryland: 7.4 (1)
South Carolina: 7.4 (3)
Tennessee: 6.7 (4)
Illinois: 6.5 (2)
Arkansas: 6.2 (3)
Georgia: 6.2 (4)
Alaska: 6.0 (5)
New Mexico: 5.7 (4)
Oklahoma: 5.7 (4)
Indiana: 5.3 (4)
Delaware: 5.1 (2)
North Carolina: 5.0 (4)
Nevada: 4.8 (3)
Ohio: 4.8 (4)
Kentucky: 4.7 (4)
Florida: 4.6 (4)

The vast majority of states with the most gun homicides are states that score a 3 or higher for gun-friendliness, indicating that there may be a correlation.

https://www.criminalattorneycincinnati.com/comparing-gun-control-measures-to-gun-related-homicides-by-state/


For those like dennis, who have difficulty understanding what is presented here, and who always point to Chicago as an example... take a closer look as to where Chicago actually sits in this list.... middle of the road, crowded in by red states and lax gun laws.

There is some very telling statistics in this link - Such as Texas - has over 8 million fewer people than California yet, it had only 800 FEWER homicides (2015-19) and is a much gun-friendlier state.

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Jun 1, 2022 11:02:30   #
chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
When I was a kid, the local Army and ROTC had secured buildings where they stored, under lock & key, their military grade rifles.
There is really no reason why, the "well regulated militia" couldn't go back to that process - store your high powered weapons and have total access to them if/when needed.

You blame all this gun violence on mental health yet, you vote for those who want to destroy the mental health system in this country... Gov Abbott for example. Just how do you identify a person, who is going through a mental health situation, before they do something wrong... like buy a gun and go shoot up a school?

We have "trained" police who are responsible for keeping our schools safe. Many of you claim a gun insurance policy would not work, it would be too expensive. But, the very same people who say that, claim that we need to harden our schools, one entrance/exit (which the fire department might disagree with), give guns to the teachers, etc., don't seem to take into consideration that the "government" (state and local) would put that cost burden on the public.
If the "trained" police are afraid to go up against an AR-15, why would you expect the teachers to do it?

Gun insurance won't work but, paying to "harden" schools and train teachers to carry guns will?
Gun insurance is unfair?.... well, what about people who don't have kids and don't have guns? Is it fair that YOU push responsibility onto them over looking deeper into the gun issue?



To see if a high gun homicide rate is tied to lax gun laws, we looked at each state’s firearm homicide rate per 100,000 people from 2015-19 and compared that to its gun-friendliness score, where 1 is the least gun-friendly and 5 is the most gun-friendly. This score is based on individual state laws regarding things like background checks, permit requirements, and open carry rules.

These are the 20 states with the highest firearm homicide rates in the country along with their gun-friendliness scores:

Louisiana: 11.0 (3)
Mississippi: 10.2 (5)
Alabama: 9.5 (4)
Missouri: 8.5 (5)
Maryland: 7.4 (1)
South Carolina: 7.4 (3)
Tennessee: 6.7 (4)
Illinois: 6.5 (2)
Arkansas: 6.2 (3)
Georgia: 6.2 (4)
Alaska: 6.0 (5)
New Mexico: 5.7 (4)
Oklahoma: 5.7 (4)
Indiana: 5.3 (4)
Delaware: 5.1 (2)
North Carolina: 5.0 (4)
Nevada: 4.8 (3)
Ohio: 4.8 (4)
Kentucky: 4.7 (4)
Florida: 4.6 (4)

The vast majority of states with the most gun homicides are states that score a 3 or higher for gun-friendliness, indicating that there may be a correlation.

https://www.criminalattorneycincinnati.com/comparing-gun-control-measures-to-gun-related-homicides-by-state/


For those like dennis, who have difficulty understanding what is presented here, and who always point to Chicago as an example... take a closer look as to where Chicago actually sits in this list.... middle of the road, crowded in by red states and lax gun laws.

There is some very telling statistics in this link - Such as Texas - has over 8 million fewer people than California yet, it had only 800 FEWER homicides (2015-19) and is a much gun-friendlier state.
When I was a kid, the local Army and ROTC had secu... (show quote)

There is not a thing in your link that addresses Chicago or any other city it lists the states.
Having actually lived in Chicago I have seen firsthand the amount of gun crime in the city.
Most of the actual crimes are robbery with a high volume of them never reported further skewing the accuracy of any statistics.

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