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May 25, 2022 15:00:35   #
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rbtree wrote:
imagemeister wrote:
Maybe the bigger question is what lens mount will they have ??

I suppose so, but a quick read of the announcement and/or brief reviews, would have shown that the bodies are RF mount.

Uh huh. It was never a question at all.
The model names are all "R" series.

"R" is the whole story right there .... unless someone is living under a rock these past few years.

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May 25, 2022 15:07:24   #
rbtree Loc: Shoreline, WA, United States
 
User ID wrote:
Uh huh. It was never a question at all.
The model names are all "R" series.

"R" is the whole story right there .... unless someone is living under a rock these past few years.


Agreed. I was being nice. I've noticed it is not always practiced here.....

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May 25, 2022 15:13:58   #
bsmith52 Loc: Northeast Alabama
 
I am interested in a FF camera. Knowing that I shoot mainly family and vacation pics I was looking at the RP and buying IS lens and would like this to be my camera for a long time. Or, from canon users here, would going with the R6 be better long term?

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May 25, 2022 16:56:03   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'd like to see more standardization. If IBIS is good, put it in all cameras. All cameras have autofocus now. I hate it when companies leave features out or add features just to play with prices. Sure, you can add special features to high end cameras, but if there is a standard feature that will benefit everyone, it should be in all cameras. Of course, then they would have to decide how to make the high end cameras better, but more MP and fps should cover that. And while we're at it, let's stop making crop sensor bodies. In SLR days, we didn't have 35mm cameras and 23mm cameras.
I'd like to see more standardization. If IBIS is ... (show quote)


I'm sure all the Mfrs are listening!

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May 25, 2022 17:31:26   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
cjc2 wrote:
I'm sure all the Mfrs are listening!


Yes, with plugs in their ears !

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May 25, 2022 17:33:32   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
bsmith52 wrote:
I am interested in a FF camera. Knowing that I shoot mainly family and vacation pics I was looking at the RP and buying IS lens and would like this to be my camera for a long time. Or, from canon users here, would going with the R6 be better long term?


Both are superb cameras. One enables all lenses with IBIS support. The other depends on IS-enabled lenses and / or your shooting technique for non IS lenses. The decision is more on what you want to spend than a real capability difference, although you'd be paying for some high-end frames per second capability (sports / wildlife) in the EOS R6 that maybe your intended usage doesn't need to spend.

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May 25, 2022 19:46:07   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
I recall seeing a transcript of a video from a Canon exec a few years ago who opined that the IBIS (In Body Image Stabilization) was unnecessary in that it was avail on their lenses. I thought it was short sighted then. Of course, they found religion and started putting it in their cameras. The IBIS feature is so beneficial, I have no idea how a camera, these days, could be sold without it. I am a huge fan of Canon and Nikon, but gotta say, as an Oly shooter knowledgeable about all its unique features, 'twer I a developer of cameras I would really look at the features in Olympus cameras and try to mimic that in my line...Canon or Nikon. Highly water resistant, amazing IBIS, live composite, in body focus stacking, high res shooting, onboard ND filter (a bit gimmicky but still...), updates on software and a host of others. As someone once famously said, the system changes how one looks at life!

When some newbie asks about getting into a system, I almost always point them to Canon, but I wonder about their odd decision to not include IBIS in all cameras. In fact, I just bought a small Canon kit for a relative. I would think that most casual shooters just want to buy a camera, assume it has the major features, such as IBIS, built in and not have to do a spread sheet on the features of cameras to protect themselves from omissions.

Certainly, people will continue to buy the Canon line. And they probably will own the majority of the market with these new models, but I am flummoxed as to why.
I recall seeing a transcript of a video from a Can... (show quote)


Canon knows where the cream (money) is coming from and it is not from IBIS. They can make far more money by keeping the stabilization in the lens. They don't want you buying/using older lenses on their bodies, when they can sell new lenses with IS built in. It all comes down to give me money money money

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May 25, 2022 19:51:27   #
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rbtree wrote:
Agreed. I was being nice. I've noticed it is not always practiced here.....

That was my best nice side ;-)

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May 25, 2022 19:54:23   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
whfowle wrote:
I like IBIS because it helps when I use my MF and older DSLR lenses. There are times when it is not practical or allowed to set up a tripod.


The whole point is they don't want you using the old stuff. The want you to buy the new shiny stuff where they can make the max $$$$ from.

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May 25, 2022 20:08:10   #
cwp3420
 
JRiepe wrote:
Cropped sensor cameras produce excellent images, are less expensive than full frame and fill the needs of many photographers, myself being one. Why have cropped sensor cameras is equivalent to saying why have compact automobiles, make them all full size or why have four cylinder engines, make them all V8's. We have them because they fulfill the needs of many. It's that simple.



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May 25, 2022 20:14:11   #
cwp3420
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'd like to see more standardization. If IBIS is good, put it in all cameras. All cameras have autofocus now. I hate it when companies leave features out or add features just to play with prices. Sure, you can add special features to high end cameras, but if there is a standard feature that will benefit everyone, it should be in all cameras. Of course, then they would have to decide how to make the high end cameras better, but more MP and fps should cover that. And while we're at it, let's stop making crop sensor bodies. In SLR days, we didn't have 35mm cameras and 23mm cameras.
I'd like to see more standardization. If IBIS is ... (show quote)


Jerry, you can keep your FF sensor, but not everyone needs nor wants one. I used a Nikon D700 FF for years, and had all the big legacy glass. But then getting older caused me to sell it all and go to a Fujifilm X-T1 with a cropped sensor. It was much lighter, the glass was smaller, but excellent, and it was easier on me. If you like FF so much, go to a medium format and lug it around. Imagine the awesome shots you’ll get with it!

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May 25, 2022 20:21:32   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I've had a theory for a while that Canon will create new mirrorless product tiers based on including this feature. With this morning's R7 / R10 announcements, we see maybe this theory in practice. In the upper tier EOS R7 (mirrorless evolution of the EOS 7D-series bodies), we see 32MP, 15 fps mechanical and 30 fps electronic, 2 card slots, and all the technology and weather resistance features of a premier sports / wildlife body with a cropped sensor.

In the EOS R10, we see a lot of advanced technology, including: 24MP, 15 fps mechanical and 23 fps electronic, 1 card slots, Eye-tracking AF. But, in this lighter weight and lower-priced modern technology marvel, we see the IBIS missing along with the mirror.

We saw something similar in Nikon's mirrorless cropped Z50, and the Z fc too. Use IS / VR lenses and you won't miss the camera's missing IBIS. But, if you're looking to consolidate all your lenses, including the legacy lenses back to the film-era, onto a single digital platform, this missing IBIS may remove some of the camera models from consideration.

These cameras from Canon and Nikon differ from Sony's approach where IBIS is a standard feature in all the mirrorless bodies, cropped and full-frame.
I've had a theory for a while that Canon will crea... (show quote)


The IBIS in the latest flagship Micro 4/3 cameras is the best there is. The OMDS OM-1 and the Lumix GH6 both push about 7.5 stops of IBIS, and are able to maintain that at longer focal lengths if you use their branded lenses with ILIS (in-lens image stabilization) in tandem with IBIS.

Whether they will put it in all their new cameras going forward is unknown.

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May 25, 2022 21:57:27   #
gener202002
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I've had a theory for a while that Canon will create new mirrorless product tiers based on including this feature. With this morning's R7 / R10 announcements, we see maybe this theory in practice. In the upper tier EOS R7 (mirrorless evolution of the EOS 7D-series bodies), we see 32MP, 15 fps mechanical and 30 fps electronic, 2 card slots, and all the technology and weather resistance features of a premier sports / wildlife body with a cropped sensor.

In the EOS R10, we see a lot of advanced technology, including: 24MP, 15 fps mechanical and 23 fps electronic, 1 card slots, Eye-tracking AF. But, in this lighter weight and lower-priced modern technology marvel, we see the IBIS missing along with the mirror.

We saw something similar in Nikon's mirrorless cropped Z50, and the Z fc too. Use IS / VR lenses and you won't miss the camera's missing IBIS. But, if you're looking to consolidate all your lenses, including the legacy lenses back to the film-era, onto a single digital platform, this missing IBIS may remove some of the camera models from consideration.

These cameras from Canon and Nikon differ from Sony's approach where IBIS is a standard feature in all the mirrorless bodies, cropped and full-frame.
I've had a theory for a while that Canon will crea... (show quote)



Hmmm, very interesting. I hadn't noticed that about the r10. the r7 though, claims IBIS up to 7 stops. This is all a curiosity to me, as I do not have the time or the past history to study these things in depth. Nevertheless, apparently the r7 is somewhat more expensive, and maybe that is part of the reason for this, as has been mentioned. The r7 is cheaper however, than the r5, and I would be curious about comparisons between the two cameras to see how much more significant the r5 is. It does have a higher pixel count, but that surely can't be the whole story. Just curious about any comments about this.

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May 26, 2022 00:01:56   #
rcarol
 
bsmith52 wrote:
I am interested in a FF camera. Knowing that I shoot mainly family and vacation pics I was looking at the RP and buying IS lens and would like this to be my camera for a long time. Or, from canon users here, would going with the R6 be better long term?


I purchaes the RP with the same intent as yours. I also purchased the 24-105mm STM. It has been a very workable solution for me. The 24-105mm STM has been a surprisingly good lens - far better than what I was expecting.

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May 26, 2022 03:28:04   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
FWIW the last Sony A-mount bodies all had IBIS, and none of the contemporaneous lenses had in-lens stabilization.


Pentax DSLRs have had IBIS since 2008, so I'd been quite used to it when I first went mirrorless. My MFT cameras don't have it & still offered enough advantages (small size, adapting lenses) that I generally used them in preference.

Fortunately I can now have mirrorless cameras with IBIS as well.

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