Uvalde (Page 2): Cowards see "no gun zones" as always the best place to shoot. Because no one fires back. If they have even a tiny bit of courage, they would see how stupid and...

Wallen Loc: Middle Earth

Curmudgeon wrote:

I'm sure this is going to the Attic where IMHO it clearly belongs. One armed, trained teacher or one armed cop in the school and the outcome could well have been different.

Cowards see "no gun zones" as always the best place to shoot. Because no one fires back.

If they have even a tiny bit of courage, they would see how stupid and cowardly they act.
I vote for erasing all their memories, not even writing their names in their grave.
They don't even deserve a grave.

Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA

John Matthews wrote:

Evidently there were several armed cops and they could not stop him from getting in the school

Absolutely right. Law enforcement have often stated that you cannot stop the lone wolf. There are literally thousands of "hit men" walking the planet free. They go in, do their job and get out. A bit different than mass murderer. We are still living in the old west. The only thing that has changed is technology. Fact.

Dannj

Mac wrote:

I don’t think it’s a one or the other thing, I think it’s both. Guns have been around since since before this country was formed, yet these mass shootings seem to be occurring more and more often over the last decade or two.
I wish I had an answer, or even a suggestion, but I don’t. The knee jerk responses from both sides don’t seem to make any real sense.

After all the mass shootings we’ve had I’d hardly call the reactions “knee jerk”.

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

Linda From Maine wrote:

Think anything is going to change in our lifetime?

I think that any change will probably be for the worse.
Congress doesn’t have the will to do anything other than maintain the status quo.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Dannj wrote:

After all the mass shootings we’ve had I’d hardly call the reactions “knee jerk”.

But they are.....

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

Dannj wrote:

After all the mass shootings we’ve had I’d hardly call the reactions “knee jerk”.

They are because the people in power to do something only react in the moment. There is no follow-through for change after the headlines move to another crisis. Or there are ineffective attempts that go nowhere because our Congress (and country) are so divided on all important domestic issues.

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

Dannj wrote:

After all the mass shootings we’ve had I’d hardly call the reactions “knee jerk”.

The reactions are the same after every mass shooting. One side says, “Ban all guns.” The other side says, “Give everybody a gun.” Neither one makes sense. They are not thought out to any degree, what else are they beside knee jerk?

rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS

Guns or not - What kind of person decides to go kill a bunch of young children? As we remove God from our homes and schools, evil continues to grow.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Linda From Maine wrote:

They are because the people in power to do something only react in the moment. There is no follow-through for change after the headlines move to another crisis. Or there are ineffective attempts that go nowhere because our Congress (and country) are so divided on all important domestic issues.

RichJ207 Loc: Sammamish, WA

We have thousands of laws that were passed as “common sense” responses relative to stopping violence. Killers will find a way to kill, whether they use a firearm, knife, baseball bat, brick, their hands or something else. Killers are, by definition, law breakers. Why does it make sense for politicians to stand proudly in a photo op and promise to solve the “problem” with another law and expect us to elect them? There will never be enough laws to prevent a killer from killing. And if the supposed solution is to ban firearms, good luck. As unpleasant as it is to accept, with human nature and mental defects as they are, the best approach to protecting soft targets might just be to protect soft targets. Advertising schools to be gun free zones defines them as soft targets and that just makes them a magnet for a person who wants to leave a legacy through unlimited violence.

tramsey Loc: Texas

The House of Representatives have passed several bill on this and then they get to the Senate and they aren't even brought up for a vote.

We have become to desensitized. 'Something like that could never happen here.' Then we hear about it happening someplace we never heard about and a lot of shouting and yelling at each other. In a week it is put on the back shelf and then we go about our business as if nothing has happened. It happens again and we shout and yell again and nothing gets done.

So who has a logical answer that most of us can live with? I don't.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Dannj wrote:

After all the mass shootings we’ve had I’d hardly call the reactions “knee jerk”.

They certainly are proven by the fact “nothing “ is ever done. 2 weeks from now the country will have moved on.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Linda From Maine wrote:

Mass murder of children is an emotionally wrenchin... (show quote)

There are more guns in our society than there are people, American society will always have to deal with the "gun" issue.

There is another not so publicized take on guns.... this article appeared on CNN's website about 4 years ago.

"As the debate over guns continues in Washington and in communities across the country, there’s at least one place where owning a gun is technically required by law.

In Kennesaw, Georgia, local law says that “every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm.”

“If you’re going to commit a crime in Kennesaw and you’re the criminal – are you going to take a chance that that homeowner is a law-abiding citizen?” asked Kennesaw Mayor Derek Easterling.

Wayne Arnold is one of those citizens. Among the weapons he keeps at home are an AR-15-style .223 caliber rifle, a variety of handguns and more.

“It gives me the ability to protect myself as opposed to being somewhere where you weren’t allowed to have a firearm or it was frowned upon,” said Arnold.

“More or less a political statement”
It may be the law in Kennesaw to own a gun, but the police department says it isn’t actually enforced.

Many locals CNN spoke to assumed that the law dated back to the town’s founding, but it was actually only enacted in 1982. “It was meant to be kind of a crime deterrent,” said Lt. Craig Graydon, who’s been with the Kennesaw Police Department for over 30 years. “It was also more or less a political statement because the city of Morton Grove, Illinois, passed a city ordinance banning handguns from their city limits.”

Back then, the town had a population of just a few thousand. Over three decades later, the law is still on the books.

Today, Kennesaw, a town of about 33,000 people, has had one murder in the last six years and a violent crime rate of below 2%.

But it’s unclear whether that has anything to do with the gun law.

City officials say their relationship with the community is a key factor in maintaining public safety. “We can’t say that just that gun law contributes x number of percent to why we have a low crime rate. It may be part of it, but it needs to be looked at from a whole picture,” said Graydon. “Don’t just look at the ordinance.”"

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

tramsey wrote:

The House of Representatives have passed several b... (show quote)

Just my opinion but I don’t think there is a single answer. The solution - imho- lies in small incremental steps that should be accepted by all. Instead both side stick their heads in the ground after shouting “ ban all guns” or no gun rules at all “

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

Now please research all American towns under 50,000 people who don't have that law and report back with the results.

Blurryeyed wrote:

There are more guns in our society than there are people, American society will always have to deal with the "gun" issue.

There is another not so publicized take on guns.... this article appeared on CNN's website about 4 years ago.

"As the debate over guns continues in Washington and in communities across the country, there’s at least one place where owning a gun is technically required by law.

In Kennesaw, Georgia, local law says that “every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm.”

“If you’re going to commit a crime in Kennesaw and you’re the criminal – are you going to take a chance that that homeowner is a law-abiding citizen?” asked Kennesaw Mayor Derek Easterling.

Wayne Arnold is one of those citizens. Among the weapons he keeps at home are an AR-15-style .223 caliber rifle, a variety of handguns and more.

“It gives me the ability to protect myself as opposed to being somewhere where you weren’t allowed to have a firearm or it was frowned upon,” said Arnold.

“More or less a political statement”
It may be the law in Kennesaw to own a gun, but the police department says it isn’t actually enforced.

Many locals CNN spoke to assumed that the law dated back to the town’s founding, but it was actually only enacted in 1982. “It was meant to be kind of a crime deterrent,” said Lt. Craig Graydon, who’s been with the Kennesaw Police Department for over 30 years. “It was also more or less a political statement because the city of Morton Grove, Illinois, passed a city ordinance banning handguns from their city limits.”

Back then, the town had a population of just a few thousand. Over three decades later, the law is still on the books.

Today, Kennesaw, a town of about 33,000 people, has had one murder in the last six years and a violent crime rate of below 2%.

But it’s unclear whether that has anything to do with the gun law.

City officials say their relationship with the community is a key factor in maintaining public safety. “We can’t say that just that gun law contributes x number of percent to why we have a low crime rate. It may be part of it, but it needs to be looked at from a whole picture,” said Graydon. “Don’t just look at the ordinance.”"

There are more guns in our society than there are ... (show quote)