Uvalde
May 25, 2022 12:05:12 #
May 25, 2022 12:11:01 #
I'm sure this is going to the Attic where IMHO it clearly belongs. One armed, trained teacher or one armed cop in the school and the outcome could well have been different.
May 25, 2022 12:13:41 #
Curmudgeon wrote:
I'm sure this is going to the Attic where IMHO it clearly belongs. One armed, trained teacher or one armed cop in the school and the outcome could well have been different.
No doubt.
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May 25, 2022 12:14:06 #
John Matthews
Loc: Wasilla, Alaska
Evidently there were several armed cops and they could not stop him from getting in the school
May 25, 2022 12:18:13 #
Bigmike1
Loc: I am from Gaffney, S.C. but live in Utah.
Amen! However try convincing politicians, school board members and others in positions of authority. I have been a teacher. At that time we never worried about school shootings. If, on the other hand I had felt threatened I would have carried a concealed weapon despite rules, etc. What the authorities don't know won't hurt them.
May 25, 2022 12:18:35 #
John Matthews
Loc: Wasilla, Alaska
Yep, turn schools into forts, snipers on the roof top, machine nests in towers.
Our culture has a real problem with guns and saying that is how you solve issues.
Our culture has a real problem with guns and saying that is how you solve issues.
May 25, 2022 12:33:25 #
John Matthews wrote:
Yep, turn schools into forts, snipers on the roof top, machine nests in towers.
Our culture has a real problem with guns and saying that is how you solve issues.
Our culture has a real problem with guns and saying that is how you solve issues.
But what about the people responsible for using them......
Oh, wait, the guns are the problem, not people.
May 25, 2022 12:36:59 #
Curmudgeon wrote:
I'm sure this is going to the Attic where IMHO it clearly belongs. One armed, trained teacher or one armed cop in the school and the outcome could well have been different.
Right. Great logic. They will shoot the teacher and the cop first. I went to a Catholic grade school through 8th grade. I can just picture the nuns packing.
May 25, 2022 12:37:24 #
I will never forget a picture I saw of an Israeli teacher outside a grade school classroom with kids during recess. She had an AK47 slung over her shoulder. If we harden up our schools, we would make them less attractive as soft targets. Laws don’t stop these shooters, do they?
May 25, 2022 12:45:28 #
RichJ207 wrote:
... Laws don’t stop these shooters, do they?
THAT is an understatement my friend!
May 25, 2022 12:46:01 #
John Matthews wrote:
Yep, turn schools into forts, snipers on the roof top, machine nests in towers.
Our culture has a real problem with guns and saying that is how you solve issues.
Our culture has a real problem with guns and saying that is how you solve issues.
How refreshing to see a reference to "culture" in a gun discussion. You're absolutely right, it is a gun culture issue, an issue with our society's attitude towards guns. Unless we stop glorifying guns and start looking at the 2nd ammendment realistically nothing will change.
May 25, 2022 12:50:22 #
Curmudgeon wrote:
I'm sure this is going to the Attic where IMHO it clearly belongs. One armed, trained teacher or one armed cop in the school and the outcome could well have been different.
There was an armed guard in the Buffalo supermarket. The gunman shot and k**led him.
May 25, 2022 12:50:36 #
srt101fan wrote:
How refreshing to see a reference to "culture" in a gun discussion. You're absolutely right, it is a gun culture issue, an issue with our society's attitude towards guns. Unless we stop glorifying guns and start looking at the 2nd ammendment realistically nothing will change.
May 25, 2022 12:52:56 #
Longshadow wrote:
But what about the people responsible for using them......
Oh, wait, the guns are the problem, not people.
Oh, wait, the guns are the problem, not people.
I don’t think it’s a one or the other thing, I think it’s both. Guns have been around since since before this country was formed, yet these mass shootings seem to be occurring more and more often over the last decade or two.
I wish I had an answer, or even a suggestion, but I don’t. The knee jerk responses from both sides don’t seem to make any real sense.
May 25, 2022 12:54:22 #
Mass murder of children is an emotionally wrenching and horrifying event. But those deaths are only a tiny percent of the totals. Here are some facts:
Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2020, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (24,292), while 43% were murders (19,384), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were unintentional (535), involved law enforcement (611) or had undetermined circumstances (400).
Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records. A little over half (53%) of all suicides in 2020 – 24,292 out of 45,979 – involved a gun, a percentage that has generally remained stable in recent years." From this site.
Gov. Greg Abbott signed a wide-ranging law in 2021 that ended the requirement for Texans to obtain a license to carry handguns, allowing virtually anyone over the age of 21 to carry one. The landmark law made the state one of the largest to adopt a “constitutional carry” law that basically eliminates most restrictions on the ability to carry handguns.
Mr. Abbott described it as “the strongest Second Amendment legislation in Texas history.” From NYT.
Think anything is going to change in our lifetime?
Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2020, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (24,292), while 43% were murders (19,384), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were unintentional (535), involved law enforcement (611) or had undetermined circumstances (400).
Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records. A little over half (53%) of all suicides in 2020 – 24,292 out of 45,979 – involved a gun, a percentage that has generally remained stable in recent years." From this site.
Gov. Greg Abbott signed a wide-ranging law in 2021 that ended the requirement for Texans to obtain a license to carry handguns, allowing virtually anyone over the age of 21 to carry one. The landmark law made the state one of the largest to adopt a “constitutional carry” law that basically eliminates most restrictions on the ability to carry handguns.
Mr. Abbott described it as “the strongest Second Amendment legislation in Texas history.” From NYT.
Think anything is going to change in our lifetime?
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