Innocent Children being slaughtered on a regular basis (Page 4): I actually have done so on many occasions, but that's because I spent 31 years as a peace officer and made over 3000...

nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL

Kmgw9v wrote:

How many times have you had to use your gun to protect you and/or your family?
Be honest, the truth never hurts. 😀

I actually have done so on many occasions, but that's because I spent 31 years as a peace officer and made over 3000 arrests. I did experience an incident off duty once while photographing in a state park whereupon 4 young men tried to relieve me of my camera gear. They would probably have succeeded except that I was armed and none of them were.

Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR

Juy wrote:

I may be in the minority but, this isn't a fix the... (show quote)

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

Graham Thirkill wrote:

If you you don't try, you will not succeed, surely it's worth a try. It succeeded in England, China, Cyprus, Greece, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Kuwait.......Come-on America Save the Childrens Schooldays. It's supposed
to be the best time of their lives....... Not the end of their young lives!!!!

Respectfully, sir, read our Constitution. Treat the real problem: the mindset of the shooters, not the object used.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

nimbushopper wrote:

I actually have done so on many occasions, but that's because I spent 31 years as a peace officer and made over 3000 arrests. I did experience an incident off duty once while photographing in a state park whereupon 4 young men tried to relieve me of my camera gear. They would probably have succeeded except that I was armed and none of them were.

Great, you are an exception as a former peace officer. Thanks for that.
And, I am sure nowadays you never shoot anybody who doesn’t deserve it,

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

sb wrote:

This is a typical GOP bullcrap response. "Arrest violent criminals" - well, for sure, but these crazed killers are not "violent criminals" UNTIL they aim their weapons and pull the trigger! Then they are either arrested and sent to prison for life, get shot, or kill themselves, so "consequences" is not a consideration for them!

What a load of crap! Blame the Republicans. Ha, ha. Blame everything on the Republicans. That attitude is one of the major things wrong with this country right now.

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

Dear Administration: move this topic to the Attic where it belongs, as it has just become political.

nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL

Graham Thirkill wrote:

If you you don't try, you will not succeed, surely it's worth a try. It succeeded in England, China, Cyprus, Greece, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Kuwait.......Come-on America Save the Childrens Schooldays. It's supposed
to be the best time of their lives....... Not the end of their young lives!!!!

With all due respect(I have British friends too) this country would not exist were it not for the private ownership of firearms! In the countries you mentioned the right to self defense has been taken away, and the large majority of citizens here don't want that to happen.

Graham Thirkill Loc: Idylic North Yorkshire, England UK.

Scruples wrote:

My dear great friend, br Things are quite differen... (show quote)

The thread/discussion is going on quite well and sensibly at this moment in time. It's when people start to get
unnecessarily personal, abusive and angry when the trouble starts. There is nothing wrong with reasonable conversation and to hear other peoples point of views. It's a recent topic that is worth mentioning to see exactly what different people have to say. Surely this can't go on. Thanks Scruples, Cheers and Beers

chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA

jaymatt wrote:

Dear Administration: move this topic to the Attic where it belongs, as it has just become political.

It's a shame that it did as it was a good actual discussion up until then.

Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR

jaymatt wrote:

Thank you. People are the problem, not guns. Logic shows that guns never killed anyone; the people using the guns are the killers. Fix the twisted minds of the shooters.

Thank you for getting to the real issue. Gun control is skirting the issue.

Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio

nimbushopper wrote:

Drunk drivers have killed a lot more than 19 children and guns don't fire bullets on their own! Most gun deaths are from suicide and or gang violence. Major studies by liberal scientists like John Lott have shown that the crime rate goes up when restrictive gun laws are enacted because they effect law abiding citizens the most. Those intent on murder will not follow the law! Again, this heinous event was committed in a legally gun free zone!

Drunk drivers do not slaughter 19 humans in one go all by themselves and that number has sadly already climbed, that is the difference here, although I hate drunk drivers as much as the next person. And you should have used the word "Affect", rather than "Effect", two very different meaning words.

With that said, even one injured child, let alone death, is too much in my mind be it drunk driver or shooter. I want to know how this crazy person gained access to the school in the first place. Who did not lock the doors or who let him into the school? I have a 1st and 3rd grader in school and no one can get into the school without buzzing in and then being inspected through the window, before the door is electronically unlocked. And if you are a stranger then they ask you questions before ever unlocking the door.

Another school nearby has two sets of door that need to be gone through, both locked, before being able to gain access to the inside of the school. I am NOT pro gun, by any stretch of the imagination, however, if the schools had a better security system, then many of these shooters would not even have been able to gain access to the inside of the school. Wouldn't improving the lockdown process of anyone getting into the school in the first place, be the most effective way of improving safety in schools?

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

Nice going, Steve. You had to bring politics into this discussion.
--Bob

sb wrote:

This is a typical GOP bullcrap response. "Arrest violent criminals" - well, for sure, but these crazed killers are not "violent criminals" UNTIL they aim their weapons and pull the trigger! Then they are either arrested and sent to prison for life, get shot, or kill themselves, so "consequences" is not a consideration for them!

Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR

Kmgw9v wrote:

Gun control might have prevented this eighteen year old from acquiring the rifle that he used to gun down children yesterday.
Admit it—those kids might still be alive.

Yes, gun control "might" have prevented him from acquiring the rifle, but probably not. Yes, those kids "might" still be alive, but probably not.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Bunko.T wrote:

What a sick country!! The NRA have the politicians by the short & curlies, they should be held to account for the deaths.

NRA ? BS... Its the overall culture of this country. We have lost ALL value for human life.... The butchering of 93 million babies is commonplace; our major cities have become killing grounds; crime has become normalized and criminals are released the next day... There are no father figures in the home, NO values taught in the schools... PLEASE get off the gun bandwagon... the states with the strongest laws have the MOST violence. The CULTURE of this country has gone off the rails... We are more interested in boys wanting to be girls and teaching 3rd. graders on transgenderism. As Pogo once said " We have found the enemy, and they are US ".

Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio

nimbushopper wrote:

With all due respect(I have British friends too) this country would not exist were it not for the private ownership of firearms! In the countries you mentioned the right to self defense has been taken away, and the large majority of citizens here don't want that to happen.

It has very little to do with gun ownership because in other countries, where gun ownership is allowed, you never see such cases of mass shootings like you have in America. For example in Switzerland, every male at 18 has to do their military service and gets a rifle from the government, which once completed, they keep at home, because it is part of their conscription process into the army and has been that way for many, many years.

Well at least it used to be this way and I'm assuming still is that way. Therefore, every household with males over 18 has a gun in the house and you never hear of a mass shooting there. Such mad shootings has everything to do with the mentality of the people in a country and less to do with guns, though I am NOT pro gun by any means.