Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
The Attic
Innocent Children being slaughtered on a regular basis.
Page <prev 2 of 21 next> last>>
May 25, 2022 07:37:08   #
BebuLamar
 
nimbushopper wrote:
That's not what I said! Making new laws when existing ones aren't enforced doesn't solve the problem. There have to be consequences for committing a crime and using a firearm.


There are consequences but most of those who committed such a crime didn't care. Most of these ended up dead. Most of these didn't have a get away plan. They knew the consequences but they accepted them.

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:37:56   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
You are skirting the issue. There ARE now consequences in the books for committing crimes with or without a firearm.
Guns are too easily accessible—that needs to be seriously addressed, possibly with new laws. Don’t shut down the real issue because you have the right to own a gun. Children were slaughtered yesterday, families were destroyed—give that some thought


You are wrong again! Yes there are consequences on the books but they are not enforced! In just about all the major cities persons committing crimes with firearms are let out and commit more crimes. Drunk drivers kill many thousands a year, should we ban cars? Medical malpractice kills around 100000 yearly, should we ban doctors?

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:37:56   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
One of the biggest problems we have in this country is not taking criminals off the street. Many who have rap sheets a mile long and should be locked away from civil society are walking our streets only to continue their criminal activity. We need prosecutors, district attorneys and judges who believe in a get tough on crime policy protecting the law abiding citizens instead of having sympathy for the criminals who evidently they believe are poor misguided individuals who need to be given countless chances to redeem themselves. Of course that would not have stopped the terrible atrocity of yesterday. My heart absolutely goes out to the parents and loved ones of those children. I was lying in bed last night trying to put myself in their place thinking of when my daughter was in school and how such an atrocity would affect me. I doubt that those parents will ever get over this. I don't think I could. Regardless of how strict gun laws are guns will be smuggled into this country and into the hands of criminals.

Reply
 
 
May 25, 2022 07:38:14   #
HistoryLover Loc: Landenberg,Pa.
 
There needs to be background checks on EVERYONE before they are able to buy a firearm. The gun manufacturers need to be held responsible for making and selling military weapons to the public. There are so many weapons out there, that’s it’s impossible to get them off the streets. I am not against anyone who wants own or collect firearms, or who enjoys hunting, but people need to be held responsible for their actions. This country is going in the wrong direction, and getting there very fast!

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:39:40   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Ollieboy wrote:
Deleted


That is exactly my point!

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:41:01   #
lxu532 Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ
 
Juy wrote:
I may be in the minority but, this isn't a fix the gun law issue. This is a culture issue. How we raise our kids ,how we enforce existing laws. The lack of respect that people have for one another. You can outlaw the guns all you want , it does not and will not address the real problem. I feel for the families and the loss of these young lives. I would be destroyed if it was my grandkids. That said restricting guns is not and never will be the issue or cure. Talk to your children help them to understand and respect the value of life.except there are very bad apples, remove them from society and get them the real help they need. This is not an overnight fix or mandate , this will take a long time to cure. The FBI has said stop naming these people,don't make it a primary news item that focuses on the gun and shooter. Take away the fame. OK sorry for the rant, God help us, bring love into the hearts.
I may be in the minority but, this isn't a fix the... (show quote)


I agree!

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:42:24   #
chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
The culture is sick, but if the sicko that killed 21 people yesterday had not been able to buy an assault rifle on his eighteenth birthday, this children would be alive and happy today, looking forward to summer vacation. Address the issue, don’t make excuses.


While I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy a rifle on his 18th birthday (I won't bother to correct the misnaming it an assault rifle) I will also have to point out the fallacy of if he hadn't been able to obtain a gun legally.
He likely would have obtained one illegally do you have any idea how easy it would be to buy an actual automatic weapon that close to the Mexican border they are smuggled in daily by the cartels. I'm also going to remind everyone that the crime occurred in a gun free zone.
Restrictive laws wouldn't have prevented it.

Reply
 
 
May 25, 2022 07:42:36   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
nimbushopper wrote:
You are wrong again! Yes there are consequences on the books but they are not enforced! In just about all the major cities persons committing crimes with firearms are let out and commit more crimes. Drunk drivers kill many thousands a year, should we ban cars? Medical malpractice kills around 100000 yearly, should we ban doctors?


I am not not wrong. You continue to shirt the issue. The drunk driving analogy is totally flawed.
Good Lord, wake up. Innocent children slaughtered beyond physical recognition, and you change the subject . If the shooter had not been able to buy an assault rifle on his eighteenth birthday, those kids would still be smiling.

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:42:58   #
BebuLamar
 
fuminous wrote:
Guns have been around a long time... they're tools. What has changed is the motivation to use these tools destructively. What motivates someone to kill others on a wholesale level? To what purpose? What satisfaction is gained?


All I can think of is for the thrill of killing. It's really sick but that's the only motive I can think of.

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:46:30   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
BebuLamar wrote:
All I can think of is for the thrill of killing. It's really sick but that's the only motive I can think of.


Honestly, normal people (like most of us) cannot begin to understand the state of one’s mind that would kill innocent children.
The entire thought is unreal, not close to imaginable or understanding for the rest of us. The rest of us are not mobsters, nor can pretend to be.

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:47:49   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
chikid68 wrote:
While I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy a rifle on his 18th birthday (I won't bother to correct the misnaming it an assault rifle) I will also have to point out the fallacy of if he hadn't been able to obtain a gun legally.
He likely would have obtained one illegally do you have any idea how easy it would be to buy an actual automatic weapon that close to the Mexican border they are smuggled in daily by the cartels. I'm also going to remind everyone that the crime occurred in a gun free zone.
Restrictive laws wouldn't have prevented it.
While I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy a... (show quote)


Well put! Also always ignored by those who know nothing about firearms is the fact that Americans defend themselves millions of times a year with a firearm possessed legally.

Reply
 
 
May 25, 2022 07:49:12   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
chikid68 wrote:
While I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy a rifle on his 18th birthday (I won't bother to correct the misnaming it an assault rifle) I will also have to point out the fallacy of if he hadn't been able to obtain a gun legally.
He likely would have obtained one illegally do you have any idea how easy it would be to buy an actual automatic weapon that close to the Mexican border they are smuggled in daily by the cartels. I'm also going to remind everyone that the crime occurred in a gun free zone.
Restrictive laws wouldn't have prevented it.
While I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy a... (show quote)


Skirt the issue, why don’t you.

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:52:14   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Juy wrote:
I may be in the minority but, this isn't a fix the gun law issue. This is a culture issue. How we raise our kids ,how we enforce existing laws. The lack of respect that people have for one another. You can outlaw the guns all you want , it does not and will not address the real problem. I feel for the families and the loss of these young lives. I would be destroyed if it was my grandkids. That said restricting guns is not and never will be the issue or cure. Talk to your children help them to understand and respect the value of life.except there are very bad apples, remove them from society and get them the real help they need. This is not an overnight fix or mandate , this will take a long time to cure. The FBI has said stop naming these people,don't make it a primary news item that focuses on the gun and shooter. Take away the fame. OK sorry for the rant, God help us, bring love into the hearts.
I may be in the minority but, this isn't a fix the... (show quote)


Thank you. People are the problem, not guns. Logic shows that guns never killed anyone; the people using the guns are the killers. Fix the twisted minds of the shooters.

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:52:19   #
kodiac1062 Loc: Sarasota, Fl
 
You are correct, why can’t people see it? Strictest gun laws are in Chicago which has the highest murder rate.
Even if guns are totally banned, ever hear of black market? What about all the existing guns.
The real issue is mental health and the no value put on human life.
What happened to good ole fist fight and then it’s done?
No, not more gun control is going to fix this.

Reply
May 25, 2022 07:54:47   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
HistoryLover wrote:
There needs to be background checks on EVERYONE before they are able to buy a firearm. The gun manufacturers need to be held responsible for making and selling military weapons to the public. There are so many weapons out there, that’s it’s impossible to get them off the streets. I am not against anyone who wants own or collect firearms, or who enjoys hunting, but people need to be held responsible for their actions. This country is going in the wrong direction, and getting there very fast!


You and I agree with the 75% of those surveyed who say this country is going in the wrong direction. My only consolation is that at 77 years of age I don't have to contend with it for another 50 years like the younger generation will need to.

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 21 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
The Attic
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.