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May 23, 2022 17:47:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Nickaroo wrote:
I get it, it's just that I like to throw occasional darts at Him to. It is all in good fun. Please do not take me serious. If I was serious about someone that said something that I did not like, I would surely not say anything on a Forum like this. We are all to have fun and laughs at what each of us say.

Ahhh...

Unfortunately, some people actually don't get his humor and believe he's serious.

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May 23, 2022 17:49:30   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Longshadow wrote:
You must either not appreciate his humor or you don't get it.


Sometimes his little ditties are neither humorous or accurate and sometimes they are. It's an imperfect world, but better than none at all.

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May 23, 2022 17:50:06   #
Nickaroo
 
alvin3232 wrote:
Just my 2cents
Well, one can ask whether there is a big difference between 20mp and 24mp. As the first person mentioned everyone has their points which is good, but at the end of the day is more or less better.


I really do not think that it matters. I produce great sized images from my D500 all the way up to my Z9. And also my D750 and D850 along with my D5. Remember, you can't hang a Billboard in your GreatRoom.

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May 23, 2022 17:52:27   #
mausernut01 Loc: Columbus Montana
 
Man, that is a beauty. I would have never even thought of pixel peeping on that one!
I would have that on my wall for sure.

Ken

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May 23, 2022 17:56:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Sometimes his little ditties are neither humorous or accurate and sometimes they are. It's an imperfect world, but better than none at all.



Inaccuracy could also be part of the humor.

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May 23, 2022 18:00:30   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
How many pixels are needed is entirely dependent on viewing distance, human eyesight limitations, print size (bigger prints are usually viewed at greater distances), image content (highly textured or detailed images usually require more resolution), etc.


As I've said before, I don't stand back to look at large prints. I stand close to view details, especially if the pictures are very old. For example, there is a restaurant near me that has numerous poster sized prints taken around 100 years ago in our city. I like to look at the clothes, the cars, the facial expressions, the signs in windows etc. I've been called a pixel peeper. So what? I see details in my modern pictures in viewing them magnified on a computer screen that I miss when I'm just looking at the whole scene. I enjoy that.

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May 23, 2022 18:08:54   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
[quote=Longshadow]

Inaccuracy could also be part of the humor. [/quote

I agree, most definitely.

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May 23, 2022 19:08:02   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
Here are a few links to check out:

1. https://www.photoworkout.com/megapixel-explained/

2. https://design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php

3. DPI- Dots Per Inch does not equal PPI - Pixels Per Inch https://design215.com/toolbox/print_guide.php

4. https://www.duford.com/2016/04/megapixels-vs-print-sizes/

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May 23, 2022 19:17:15   #
HMark Loc: south of Denton, Texas
 
My first digital camera was a Nikon D3, 12 megapixels, full frame. I have great photos from that camera, including enlargements. When I was concerned about image enlargement resolution, I chose On1 Genuine Fractals which did a great job. That software has morphed into Resize AI. A quality lens makes a great difference. The lens type makes a difference. Primes lenses tend to have better image quality than zooms but primes lack the flexibility of zooms.

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May 23, 2022 19:49:18   #
nikonbrain Loc: Crystal River Florida
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
Here is my understanding. This can be a quagmire and could open a can of worms...we shall see when the first snark hits. This has been a road hoed many times on this site.

Here is my basic understanding:

First, there is science about what is actually needed. There are charts avail which highlight the image size vs. viewing distance of the photograph. There is also the pixels per inch that are printed! (Take a look at this article: https://fstoppers.com/originals/how-many-megapixels-do-you-need-print-billboard-220239). The human eye can only see so much resolution. According to fstoppers that equation is: 2/(viewing distance in inches x 0.000291) giving one pixels per inch resolution. According to this article, at 2500 yards, one pixel printed out could be 16 inches square! And still look smooth, good resolution to the human eye. The same calculation goes for photos in your house.

That is why there are billboards made with smart phone photos because the photo is viewed from 2500 feet, 25 inches. Get up close and you would see large dots of ink. At the Reagan Library there is a portrait of Reagan done in jelly beans...far away it looks like a portrait until the viewer gets a little closer. Same with mosaics. So viewing distance is important. For instance you would not put a 24x36 inch photo in a small hallway...as people passed, they would see the pixilation, dots, on the shot because they would be viewing it from about 1 foot away. Smaller prints viewed closer up need greater resolution...not less. So it is counter intuitive, but bigger prints actually do not need higher resolution when viewed from proper distances. This is why ardent pixel peepers are never going to be satisfied.

Second, higher resolution is helpful for those who need to crop a lot..it is a fact. I use m43 gear, so cropping is a challenge. How many times on this site have we seen people asking for help on their grainy pics only to learn that it was a crop of a crop of a crop?

Third...AI is somewhat changing all this...in my case, using a lower resolution sensor, I can upsize a shot using LR's enhance feature, and do pretty decent cropping. Is it in the 40mp range of quality? No, but good enough for me.

Fourth...IMO, there are graphics and lens quality issues as well. Nothing beats high quality lenses...one can have high mp and yet if a low quality lens is hung on the camera, all is lost.

To me, MP are like horsepower in a car. It makes for great press, but there is a lot more to a car than horsepower. I once read where a car engineer was talking about some Mustang they developed with less HP than the Shelbys...he said the hp had to match all the components, such as suspension, tires, transmission, etc...and the lower HP engine actually made for a better, if not faster (due to being able to control, shift, etc.) car. The entire system has to be configured to work well together.

This is a long Sunday morning way of saying, "I think I am right but let's see what others day...BurkePhoto?)
Here is my understanding. This can be a quagmire ... (show quote)


Viewing distance be damned Working in a Art Gallery of Large Format printing up to and including 7 feet tall and close to 10 feet wide . When people walked it the gallery they walked up to it and put their nose 1 foot from it amazed that they could see every stone as far as they could see into the image ... Why because it was shot on a 645D at the time 40 megapixels from multiple stitched images from a Gigapan . The more the pixels the more detail was captured . Not one person that came into the gallery stood more than 3 feet away on any image . So many stood so close to the large print of the grand canyon they would lose their balance we had to put up a rope barrier to keep them from standing so close . This work was not mine but My boss . It just the nature of the people to get close . The following image was shot at the Gallery .That is my boss in the photo .This from a cheap cell phone and does not do the image justice It is also from Facebook .


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May 23, 2022 19:59:00   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
amfoto1 wrote:
And successful dentists buy Leicas.


I'm a retired dentist and bought a Canon for myself for a retirement present. Used my Canon with a Tamron 90mm for ALL my intraoral photos with great results. For my intramural shots I always used 18% Grey card for custom white balance to get accurate tooth colors for matching shades

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May 23, 2022 20:03:34   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
nikonbrain wrote:
Viewing distance be damned Working in a Art Gallery of Large Format printing up to and including 7 feet tall and close to 10 feet wide . When people walked it the gallery they walked up to it and put their nose 1 foot from it amazed that they could see every stone as far as they could see into the image ... Why because it was shot on a 645D at the time 40 megapixels from multiple stitched images from a Gigapan . The more the pixels the more detail was captured . Not one person that came into the gallery stood more than 3 feet away on any image . So many stood so close to the large print of the grand canyon they would lose their balance we had to put up a rope barrier to keep them from standing so close . This work was not mine but My boss . It just the nature of the people to get close . The following image was shot at the Gallery .That is my boss in the photo .This from a cheap cell phone and does not do the image justice It is also from Facebook .
Viewing distance be damned Working in a Art Galler... (show quote)


That is all well and good but it might be mentioned that if the lens is not up to the job you might as well shoot through a coke bottle. Megapixels are great, but you have to resolve the image to get the detail.

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May 23, 2022 20:21:04   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
For all intense & purposes 12 mp should be all you would ever need, unless you blow your shots up to billboard size!

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May 23, 2022 20:34:12   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
AirWalter wrote:
What a stunning image! I'm surprised you refer to yourself as an amateur photographer. It's hard to believe that you aren't above that stage. Congratulation on a very beautiful image. If it was mine I would have it enlarged enough to cover a complete wall.


What a stunning image! I'm surprised you refer to... (show quote)


If your not getting paid I believe your not a professional photographer. I'm using sports as my source of definitions

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May 23, 2022 20:40:31   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
GeneinChi wrote:
This will probably open a giant can of worms so I apologize in advance. How many MP’s are really necessary for the average non-professional person taking pictures? By “average person” I mean someone posting on the internet, looking a photos on a computer or iPad, or cell phone. Maybe blowing up to 16x20 on a rare occasion. There are some really great deals on older cameras with 16 mp as an example. They don’t have all the bells and whistles of the latest and greatest but really, does everyone need 26,30,40 even 40mp’s? Just curious what your knowledgeable folks think. I know everyone has different needs but what do you consider adequate?
This will probably open a giant can of worms so I ... (show quote)


If you are simply looking at digital photographs on a computer monitor (and any screen hooked to any computer is a monitor) then the 5mp old timers do an excellent job, as do the cellular telephone "cameras." However, when you start talking about 16 X 20, neither is enough. I consider 12mp the bottom limit for anything I'm trying to print larger than 8.5 X 11. Probably because I am never satisfied with "looks good enough." But that's just me.

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