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Apr 26, 2022 12:24:26   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Stephan G wrote:
Wouldn't the loss just be as great if they end up on the same flight, having it crash with no survivors? Or getting hit by the same bus at the corner of the meeting area? (Being a Devil's Advocate.)

(Were they Italian Seria A fans from Bergano, Lombardy, Italy? Which flight taken from there to Hartsfield? )


You would think the always obtrusive spell checker would have saved me from that one

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Apr 26, 2022 12:27:58   #
Abo
 
jerryc41 wrote:

I was surprised to see that in General Aviation (GA - small, private planes), there is a fatal crash almost every day. I've ridden in small planes piloted by people I knew, but I think I'll stop doing that.


Jerry, Jerry, Jerry... there are about 3700 fatalities per day on the roads...
Based on your "reasoning", you'l never get in a car again...
to the power of three thousand seven hundred.

For the record, in broad broad brush strokes, aircraft 5000kg or less
are classed as "GA" whether they are commercial (with caveats) or private.

And just to confuse the "GA" issue, An Australian Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineers
specialty is also "GA"... however that specialty has nothing to do with
the size of aircraft or what it is used for... That "GA" designation is for aircraft piston engines....
there's "GB" (and a raft of others) too... "GB" is for Aircraft piston engine systems.

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Apr 26, 2022 13:04:04   #
Dannj
 
Stephan G wrote:
Wouldn't the loss just be as great if they end up on the same flight, having it crash with no survivors? Or getting hit by the same bus at the corner of the meeting area? (Being a Devil's Advocate.)

(Were they Italian Seria A fans from Bergano, Lombardy, Italy? Which flight taken from there to Hartsfield? )


I’d say the loss would be the same but the odds of the events you suggest occurring would be lower.

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Apr 26, 2022 13:06:44   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
Blair Shaw Jr wrote:
I wonder who paid for that mistake....?


All an advertising write off for Red Bull.

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Apr 26, 2022 13:10:32   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
tradio wrote:
Almost "Darwin Award" material.


They had parachutes where is the fun in that ?

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Apr 26, 2022 13:16:01   #
Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I once had to fly to NH, and the last leg was from Boston to NH. The check-in at Logan was at a very small counter. Their phone, was a payphone on the wall - a few feet away. Conversation with the pilot, "Okay, well when do you think you can get here?" Everyone had to be weighed so they'd know where to seat us, and not all of the luggage would fit in the plane. We could see right into the cockpit. The two college freshmen(?) flying the plane turned around and greeted us. It was a humorous flight, but I doubt I would do it now.

Another small plane ride involved me and two other guys in college paying $25 each to another student who was a pilot. He rented a plane and flew us over the Hudson River. He thought we'd like to see a stall. He put the plane into a steep climb, and the warning horns sounded. Then the engine stopped. He put the plane into a steep dive, and the engine coughed back to life. And somehow, I'm still alive at 78.
I once had to fly to NH, and the last leg was from... (show quote)


I'd like to clear up this yarn. To get a plane to stall, you must raise the nose to remove airspeed. This causes the wings to loose lift, and actually fall. As the wings fall, the nose drops, the plane gains speed, until the wings regain their lift. The pilot can regain control at this point. The engine will remain running throughout the maneuver. If the pilot attempts to move the rudder during the stall, it could result in a uncontrolled flat spin. The befit of this training helps a pilot with landings. As the plane approches the runway the pilot will raise the nose to bleed off airspeed, and soft stall the main landing gear to the runway, and then as the plane slows, the nose wheel will contact the runway, and allow the pilot to steer the plane using the nose wheel steering on a big jet, or use rudder peddles to guide the small prop plane to its parking place. All pilots practice stalls from about 4000 feet or so. This practice gives the pilot experience of how the plane reacts in a stall. Some small planes will recover from a flat spin without any input from the pilot, this is by design of the aircraft.

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Apr 26, 2022 13:41:02   #
mikee
 
St.Mary's wrote:
Many, many, many years ago newsman Paul Harvey announced one day over the air that he no longer would fly on any aircraft other than those of commercial airlines. His rationale was that too many private, and business pilots did not fly enough or have sufficient training to be safe pilots, especially in an emergency situation. If "the rest of the story" Paul said this I judged it to be a valid observation in as much that Harvey was pilot himself for years. He was sometimes over the top with his subject matter, but in this case I was made a true believer and never flew on non-commercial airlines again.
Many, many, many years ago newsman Paul Harvey ann... (show quote)


Would you want a hip replacement from a surgeon that does one every 3 months??

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Apr 26, 2022 13:55:09   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
"Hold my beer and watch this..."

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Apr 26, 2022 14:55:39   #
Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State
 
JeffL wrote:
I have been a pilot for over 50 years. When Paul Harvey was active as a pilot, there were far fewer regulations and requirements than there are today. Aircraft are far safer, pilots are better trained, and there is a greater emphasis on recurrent training than in earlier decades. Obviously, there are pilots who are not the safest, just as there are drivers who are not the safest. But, for the most part, we are in a much safer aviation era than earlier. For example, we recently installed avionics in our aircraft that will put the aircraft in a safe attitude if the autopilot detects an unusual or unsafe attitude of the aircraft. If there is a need to glide to the nearest airport due to engine outage, a push of a single button will instruct the autopilot to set up the best glide speed and turn toward the nearest airport. Now, none of this can prevent incidents due to pilot stupidity, but we are in a far better air transportation environment than ever before.
I have been a pilot for over 50 years. When Paul ... (show quote)


How very well said. I quit flying a few years ago but I still try to keep up with current regs and developments. Thank you for instructing the uninformed.

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Apr 26, 2022 19:21:18   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
The props were not spinning.
—Bob
TriX wrote:
Amazingly stupid and dangerous. So we have two out of control aircraft with propellers spinning and two fools falling in the same airspace in proximity to the aircraft (and spinning propellers) - what could possibly go wrong? And what a waste of a perfectly good aircraft.

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Apr 26, 2022 19:25:15   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Any landing one survives more than 34 hours is a good one. If one can reuse the aircraft, it was a great landing.
—Bob
alberio wrote:
Any landing you walk away from is a good one, but does it count if you parachute to the wreckage and still walk away?

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Apr 26, 2022 20:43:55   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
rmalarz wrote:
The props were not spinning.
—Bob


They killed the engines before jumping?

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Apr 26, 2022 20:45:25   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
rmalarz wrote:
Any landing one survives more than 34 hours is a good one. If one can reuse the aircraft, it was a great landing.
—Bob


The curiosity is killing me - why 34 hours Bob?

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Apr 26, 2022 21:15:37   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Yup.
—Bob
TriX wrote:
They killed the engines before jumping?

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Apr 26, 2022 21:16:28   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Typo. Should be 24.
—Bob
TriX wrote:
The curiosity is killing me - why 34 hours Bob?

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