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Apr 21, 2022 22:44:14   #
srt101fan
 
Earnest Botello wrote:
Are you kidding me, you don't know me or nothing about me, my arms are weak, my hands are shaky, YES it has all to do with AGE. Not everybody ages the same, OK, Superman.


I'm sorry you misinterpreted my comment. My bad in not being clear. Age is a factor but so is the the type of photography you engage in.

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Apr 21, 2022 23:13:39   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
camerapapi wrote:
I respect Mr. Irmler's statements about tripods but I do not share his opinion. Although IBIS and in lenses IS have been great advances in technology a tripod is still of great help for super steady shots using proper tripod techniques, and for composition.
It is true that in the past heavy cameras and lenses, without modern technologies, required using a tripod specially true under low light conditions. When shooting macro, where depth of field is so limited a tripod makes the difference specially for composition. I have never used focus stacking so I will not make any comments about this tripod application.

Heavy tripods are most useful for studio work. For the casual and landscape photographer and as per my experience, a heavy tripod is not a necessity. When traveling a light tripod is most convenient. I use a cheap Dolica aluminum tripod that has given me excellent results even when using my dSLR cameras and heavy lenses. Today it is my most useful tripod. I hardly touch my Gitzo or the Manfrotto except when I shoot not far from home and that is still unusual. A lighter tripod is convenient and as I said, if proper tripod techniques are used that tripod is steady enough.

For accurate composition a tripod is a must.
I respect Mr. Irmler's statements about tripods bu... (show quote)


+1

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Apr 21, 2022 23:14:39   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
I need my tripod for astrophotography

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Apr 21, 2022 23:30:07   #
Karl's Bird Photography Loc: Oregon
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
Christian Irmler, an Austrian landscape photographer and painter has written a thought-provoking piece for Fstoppers in which he argues that the current state-of-the-art in image stabilization and sensor performance at high ISOs may have made tripods obsolete. Fstoppers is an online community and resource which reaches 1.5 million photographers each month.

As he provocatively put it a tripod may have "become a relic from a time with poor technology." (He does acknowledge that a tripod is still necessary for focus stacking and can serve as a useful aid to thoughtful composition.)

Given the frequent (some might go so far as to say obsessive) discussion of tripods on UHH (to which I will plead guilty to some degree) I think the question merits further dialog.

My personal conclusion is that ponderously heavy, stable (and expensive tripods) are no longer the critical tool they once were, and that the still-useful functions of a tripod can be fulfilled by lighter and more portable gear.
Christian Irmler, an Austrian landscape photograp... (show quote)


I agree... I only use a light weight tripod for times when I need to keep the camera on the bird for a relatively long time. With body and lens stabilization things have changed even with 840mm.

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Apr 21, 2022 23:40:31   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ken Rockwell addressed this topic years ago: https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/digital-killed-my-tripod.htm
MDI Mainer wrote:
Christian Irmler, an Austrian landscape photographer and painter has written a thought-provoking piece for Fstoppers in which he argues that the current state-of-the-art in image stabilization and sensor performance at high ISOs may have made tripods obsolete. Fstoppers is an online community and resource which reaches 1.5 million photographers each month.

As he provocatively put it a tripod may have "become a relic from a time with poor technology." (He does acknowledge that a tripod is still necessary for focus stacking and can serve as a useful aid to thoughtful composition.)

Given the frequent (some might go so far as to say obsessive) discussion of tripods on UHH (to which I will plead guilty to some degree) I think the question merits further dialog.

My personal conclusion is that ponderously heavy, stable (and expensive tripods) are no longer the critical tool they once were, and that the still-useful functions of a tripod can be fulfilled by lighter and more portable gear.
Christian Irmler, an Austrian landscape photograp... (show quote)

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Apr 21, 2022 23:51:47   #
MDI Mainer
 
anotherview wrote:
Ken Rockwell addressed this topic years ago: https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/digital-killed-my-tripod.htm


Thanks for the link. Rockwell from 2007 makes Irmler's piece in 2022 sound moderate (which it really is).

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Apr 22, 2022 04:48:49   #
DHenard Loc: Northeast Tennessee
 
I use an Olympus with several stops of image stabilization. I can take a 2 second hand held image but only at 25 or less MM. Even then, you have to be really still. I would still use a tri-pod if available.

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Apr 22, 2022 07:15:16   #
EJMcD
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
Christian Irmler, an Austrian landscape photographer and painter has written a thought-provoking piece for Fstoppers in which he argues that the current state-of-the-art in image stabilization and sensor performance at high ISOs may have made tripods obsolete. Fstoppers is an online community and resource which reaches 1.5 million photographers each month.

As he provocatively put it a tripod may have "become a relic from a time with poor technology." (He does acknowledge that a tripod is still necessary for focus stacking and can serve as a useful aid to thoughtful composition.)

Given the frequent (some might go so far as to say obsessive) discussion of tripods on UHH (to which I will plead guilty to some degree) I think the question merits further dialog.

My personal conclusion is that ponderously heavy, stable (and expensive tripods) are no longer the critical tool they once were, and that the still-useful functions of a tripod can be fulfilled by lighter and more portable gear.
Christian Irmler, an Austrian landscape photograp... (show quote)


Tripods will NEVER be obsolete.

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Apr 22, 2022 07:53:41   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
BigDaddy wrote:
This picture is amazing. I'm not a professional photographer by any stretch, but to me, this picture would be impossible from a moving boat with a 30 second exposure. How is this possible?

Looking at the EXIF, it appears it was taken on 7/28/2016 at 7:30 in Chicago. Should be full daylight at that time, not night?
Then I wondered how all the building lights were on at 7:30PM in July? I'm not saying it's fake, but it has me in a state of wonderment. To me, a 30 sec exposure from a moving boat would be just a massive blur?
This picture is amazing. I'm not a professional ph... (show quote)


I suspect the EXIF data is not related to the picture. It's not difficult to change that - for whatever reason.

Just one listing, of many -
https://www.organizepictures.com/2018/08/edit-exif-date-taken

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Apr 22, 2022 09:59:28   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Thanks BigDaddy! There are several time stamps in the EXIF. The correct / relevant one is the reference to 2016:07:28 22:33:56 (Date and Time - Original), about 10:30pm. Then you worried me about a typo, but I did say 1/30 sec, also as reflected in the EXIF. I see lots comments about the 'power' of this lens, particularly about the IS on the EF 70-200 f/2.8L. I bought the lens used from a UHH member several years ago, but only in the past few years have I really come to rely on it, especially on multiple river and night lake cruises last summer, leveraging the confidence from the 2016 experience.
Thanks BigDaddy! There are several time stamps in ... (show quote)

Thanks Canon. Pretty stupid of me to see 30 sec instead of 1/30th as posted. Now I get it, and yes, 1/30th of a sec is more feasible and that picture does highlight how incredible todays IS is on modern camera's. Tripods of course are sometimes needed in special circumstances and will never be totally eliminated but mostly for reasons other than IS.

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Apr 22, 2022 11:51:36   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
srt101fan wrote:
I'm sorry you misinterpreted my comment. My bad in not being clear. Age is a factor but so is the the type of photography you engage in.


I really didn't misinterpret your comment, you were loud and clear, but all is forgiven. I did not state all the facts, I am in a wheelchair when I want to go out and shoot some pictures, my whole body was left very weak after an operation for spinal
stenosis, which the doctor warned me about before the operation. All I am asking is for you to know all the facts before making such a blatant statement, nuff said.

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Apr 22, 2022 12:29:22   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Earnest Botello wrote:
I really didn't misinterpret your comment, you were loud and clear, but all is forgiven. I did not state all the facts, I am in a wheelchair when I want to go out and shoot some pictures, my whole body was left very weak after an operation for spinal
stenosis, which the doctor warned me about before the operation. All I am asking is for you to know all the facts before making such a blatant statement, nuff said.


But disability is not necessarily age related. There are certainly young people with similar difficulties as yours.

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Apr 22, 2022 12:50:31   #
srt101fan
 
Earnest Botello wrote:
I really didn't misinterpret your comment, you were loud and clear, but all is forgiven. I did not state all the facts, I am in a wheelchair when I want to go out and shoot some pictures, my whole body was left very weak after an operation for spinal
stenosis, which the doctor warned me about before the operation. All I am asking is for you to know all the facts before making such a blatant statement, nuff said.


I'm sorry for your health issues and I wish you the best. My reaction (perhaps over-reaction) was due to a concern that emphatic, dogmatic statements regarding photography, without the proper context, e.g. type of photography the poster engages in, can be confusing to learners and a missed opportunity for helping newcomers.

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Apr 22, 2022 12:57:32   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
srt101fan wrote:
I'm sorry for your health issues and I wish you the best. My reaction (perhaps over-reaction) was due to a concern that emphatic, dogmatic statements regarding photography, without the proper context, e.g. type of photography the poster engages in, can be confusing to learners and a missed opportunity for helping newcomers.


Thankyou, I appreciate your response.

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Apr 22, 2022 12:58:49   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
But disability is not necessarily age related. There are certainly young people with similar difficulties as yours.


Thankyou, John, I know that.

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