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Apr 19, 2022 10:18:54   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
When I was using Canon gear chancing birds, I used BBF regularly until I found at times when reviewing my images in DPP4 that some images were soft and there was no indication of an active af point. I finally figured out that at those times I was so intent on the subject that I forgot to firmly press the back button to activate the af system. Operator error. At that point I stopped using it; eliminating one variable. Never felt the need to go back.

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Apr 19, 2022 10:27:04   #
bamfordr Loc: Campbell CA
 
tradio wrote:
I'm really surprised that you are going back...I made the change and never looked back and would be lost if I had to go back.
I guess it's what you get used to and the important thing is that you're comfortable with whatever method you use.


Ditto. Especially when BBF is coupled with exposure lock, so recomposing has no effect on either focus or exposure. (Canon 7D, the original).

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Apr 19, 2022 10:53:01   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
frankraney wrote:
One thing I read, I think you are misunderstanding. You do not press and hold either button to focus and recompose. The camera will refocus if you do this. That is one of the major reasons to use bbf. Press to focus wherever, release, the recompose and press the shutter.

All my Nikon lenses can be manually focused when in auto, this can be useful sometimes.


The rear AF button, as configured by default, accomplishes two things (when not using continuous focus). It achieves focus and locks it-- thus the AF-L label on the button. Obviously Continuous Focus works differently, but I essentially never use CF. That is an important consideration for this whole discussion as well as my conclusion. Use of CF is a strong supporting element for using BBF.

And yes...all Nikon lenses can be manually focused when in auto. The point here is that when configured for BBF, the lens does not attempt to refocus if the shutter button is released and pressed again.

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Apr 19, 2022 11:04:29   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
One thing I would like to clarify. The point of this experiment and article is not to try to make a case or even argue against BBF. I will use it. Just not all the time. It is very cool. I plan to set my infrared camera up for BBF just for the hybrid manual/auto capability. Finding a good method for achieving proper focus of IR images has been challenging. This won't completely solve the problem, but it will move me a long way down the road. And that will mostly be doing landscapes.

But I am comfortable using my cameras, and I am comfortable moving from one setup to another, so it is not necessary for me to make an iron-clad commitment to either focus approach. Knowing what I know now will allow me to select what makes each situation not only easiest, but also most likely to be successful.

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Apr 19, 2022 12:17:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
tradio wrote:
I'm really surprised that you are going back...I made the change and never looked back and would be lost if I had to go back.
I guess it's what you get used to and the important thing is that you're comfortable with whatever method you use.


Right. I like BBF too much to switch back.

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Apr 19, 2022 12:55:40   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
larryepage wrote:
The rear AF button, as configured by default, accomplishes two things (when not using continuous focus). It achieves focus and locks it-- thus the AF-L label on the button. Obviously Continuous Focus works differently, but I essentially never use CF. That is an important consideration for this whole discussion as well as my conclusion. Use of CF is a strong supporting element for using BBF.

And yes...all Nikon lenses can be manually focused when in auto. The point here is that when configured for BBF, the lens does not attempt to refocus if the shutter button is released and pressed again.
The rear AF button, as configured by default, acco... (show quote)



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Apr 19, 2022 13:45:40   #
Craig Meyer Loc: Sparks, NV
 
larryzplace wrote:
I tried bbf a long time ago and aparently did not fully understand the process... Enter Steve Perry... Watched a video of his and said maybe i should try again... I followed his advice and never turned back... He made it very clear how it works especially for wild life photography...
Thanks Steve
I tried bbf a long time ago and aparently did not ... (show quote)


Steve Perry also does an extraordinary job in showing how to use BBF of the Canon EOS cameras and their Geeky named AI Servo focus. He's a great photographer and teacher. His artistic tutorials are without equal.

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Apr 19, 2022 13:50:21   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
larryepage wrote:
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So in summary...I plan to turn AF Activation back on and use half press focus as my default focus mode.
But I'm really glad to realize the ability to integrate manual and automatic focus by using what we call BBF. That's a really good and useful thing. And I'm really glad to know that it is so easy to move between the two setups.


I switched to BBF some 20 years ago and never looked back.

It depends upon what you shoot and how you shoot it, whether BBF will be useful or not.

I shoot a lot of sports and some wildlife... a lot of active subjects. To be ready for anything I like to keep my cameras in continuous focus mode, which is best done with BBF (without BBF you can get in trouble occasionally, such as when using a focus and recompose technique).

The benefit to me is that I can use continuous focus equally well for both stationary and active subjects. No need to change focus modes.

I have full control over AF with my thumb.... it's not tied to shutter release, as it is when part of the half press.

Another benefit is that many modern zoom lenses are varifocal.... those don't maintain focus when zoomed. This is done to reduce complexity and keep the lenses affordable. But it means that the lens needs to be refocused any time the focal lens is changed. Having a camera in continuous focus mode (made possible with BBF) performs this refocusing instantly and automatically. If not in continuous focus mode, you have to remember to do the refocus yourself after each and every change of focal length.

Of course, someone who shoots posed portraits, architecture, scenics, still life and some other types of photos may have little to no need for BBF.

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Apr 19, 2022 15:06:09   #
RWeisz
 
Interesting and timely. I too recently changed to BBF. When I was out shooting landscape photography and really crafting my shot it was great. No problem. But I do a lot of street and urban photography and recently came back from a city shoot where I threw away about 3/4 of my shots due to lack of focus. I have no time to work on pushing both buttons and getting the shot. It just added more work for my fingers and my brain. I plan to go back to the half shutter push and hope lock on to quicker focus with the push of just one button. Good to know I am not the only one it didn't work for. I think it really depends on what you shot.

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Apr 19, 2022 15:36:51   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
Yes if you're shooting like I do, birds,eagles in a near, it works great, but I can see for street photography it might complicate things.
I feel it's just one more tool in my tool box and not the only tool

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Apr 19, 2022 15:42:44   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
larryepage wrote:
The rear AF button, as configured by default, accomplishes two things (when not using continuous focus). It achieves focus and locks it-- thus the AF-L label on the button. Obviously Continuous Focus works differently, but I essentially never use CF. That is an important consideration for this whole discussion as well as my conclusion. Use of CF is a strong supporting element for using BBF.

And yes...all Nikon lenses can be manually focused when in auto. The point here is that when configured for BBF, the lens does not attempt to refocus if the shutter button is released and pressed again.
The rear AF button, as configured by default, acco... (show quote)


I just noticed an error in what I intended to say here. The very last sentence should have read, "The point here is that when holding the AF-L button, even with the default configuration, the lens does not attempt to refocus if the shutter button is released and pressed again.

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Apr 19, 2022 18:24:15   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
larryepage wrote:
On April 3rd, I wrote that I was committing to a two-week trial of back button focus after discovering that my most recent cameras provide an easy, direct, one-click menu function to enable BBF or restore the factory default focus setup. Since I know that much of my shooting favors half-press shooting, this discovery eliminated one of my significant objections to changing...the awkwardness of going back and forth. That two weeks is now complete, and I am returning with a report of the results of my trial.

First, and most noteworthy, is that the world did not end as a result of half-press focusing being disabled on my camera. I successfully completed all of the shots that I attempted, and there were no meltdowns along the way. And nothing got broken or destroyed.

First and perhaps most important...I did discover one huge benefit of BBF that I had not considered...one which I do not recall ever reading about in any of the discussions which I have read. When set up for BBF, my cameras (Nikons) present a completely seamless combination of manual focus and automatic focus. As long as I do not press the focus button (I used AF-On, based on my 16 year familiarity with it), I can manually focus my camera. No switch to turn, No button to press, no Command Dial to spin. The camera is in manual focus. All of the lenses I was using were newer models with internal focus motors, and I realize that the functionality would be different or perhaps unavailable with older lenses, but it works perfectly with all lenses with motors. This is a pretty major plus, and I'm surprised we don't read about it more.

Second...I did not feel that there was a major benefit to be realized from the ability to press and release the AF button versus what I have been doing for years...pressing the button to focus and simply holding it while recomposing or living through whatever other delay in shooting might arise. For me, pressing and holding the button provides a mental reminder that the system is focused and ready to release when appropriate. I do not find it at all uncomfortable or inconvenient to simply hold the button to lock focus and prevent refocusing when pressing the shutter release.

Third...I do not find it at all inconvenient to access item a8 on the Custom Settings Menu and turn AF Activation (shutter release focus) on or off. a8 is at the bottom of the first page of the menu and simple to change.

So in summary...I plan to turn AF Activation back on and use half press focus as my default focus mode. But I'm really glad to realize the ability to integrate manual and automatic focus by using what we call BBF. That's a really good and useful thing. And I'm really glad to know that it is so easy to move between the two setups.
On April 3rd, I wrote that I was committing to a t... (show quote)


I use bbf to change focus modes from area to group to single point. Handy for myself

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Apr 19, 2022 19:06:23   #
NickT
 
At last !!!

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Apr 19, 2022 19:12:49   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
After watching a Steve Perry video on back button focus some time ago I tried it and never looked back. Works great for me.

Don

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Apr 19, 2022 19:27:04   #
gwilliams6
 
amfoto1 wrote:
I switched to BBF some 20 years ago and never looked back.

It depends upon what you shoot and how you shoot it, whether BBF will be useful or not.

I shoot a lot of sports and some wildlife... a lot of active subjects. To be ready for anything I like to keep my cameras in continuous focus mode, which is best done with BBF (without BBF you can get in trouble occasionally, such as when using a focus and recompose technique).

The benefit to me is that I can use continuous focus equally well for both stationary and active subjects. No need to change focus modes.

I have full control over AF with my thumb.... it's not tied to shutter release, as it is when part of the half press.

Another benefit is that many modern zoom lenses are varifocal.... those don't maintain focus when zoomed. This is done to reduce complexity and keep the lenses affordable. But it means that the lens needs to be refocused any time the focal lens is changed. Having a camera in continuous focus mode (made possible with BBF) performs this refocusing instantly and automatically. If not in continuous focus mode, you have to remember to do the refocus yourself after each and every change of focal length.

Of course, someone who shoots posed portraits, architecture, scenics, still life and some other types of photos may have little to no need for BBF.
I switched to BBF some 20 years ago and never look... (show quote)


I have been shooting pro sports for four decades all over the world. And I have the Pictures of The Year Awards, World Press Photo Awards, newspaper, magazine, online and book publications, exhibits in galleries, museums, including our Smithsonian Institute for my sports photos to go with all that .

I used to use BBF all the time with my Nikon and Canon DSLRs and it worked well. I still have the muscle memory to be able to do it.

That being said, HOWEVER, I found I really dont need it to use all the superb autofocus and AI tracking modes with my Sony A1, even if objects get in the way of my subject. Acquisition and AF lock and tracking are so instantaneous now (up to 120 AF/AE calculations per second with my A1) that there really is no real advantage with my gear. I can save that custom button for another function and save my fingers for other uses and, I can still easily manual focus anytime I choose.

It is what works for you, and what you are comfortable with. Mark Galer a top Sony Worldwide Ambassador and superb photographer who shoots sports and fast action used to be a strong advocate for BBF (made loads of videos showing how to do it). now Mark also feels it isn't necessary with the latest gear.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd333V2AbeUItnE_fO1zRtA

For me I agree. But for you it may be totally different and that is fine too. Camera makers will always equip their cameras to be able to do both, and that is good.

Cheers and best to you all.

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