Fair Price?
Nov 14, 2012 17:34:26 #
lighthouse wrote:
We'll let the OP answer that but all the other points made by myself and lightchime still stand.
Are you still right to go for those 10 sub-contracted jobs at $0 each?
Brendan wrote:
lets get the facts right, now i'm sure you are capable of reading a simple sentence,so please tell me where he states the job is for the city......exactly he doesn't its a calendar for a neighbour.
We'll let the OP answer that but all the other points made by myself and lightchime still stand.
Are you still right to go for those 10 sub-contracted jobs at $0 each?
i'm sure your a nice bloke and yes if you were my neighbour i would do a small one off job for you, as a builder i'm always helping my mates out, and being my friends they never take advantage of this.
Nov 14, 2012 17:36:34 #
Ron-
It matters not whether it is for a friend, a neighbor, the city, the state, or the Vatican. If you think a photo credit will bring you lots of work, you are very naive. Well, YOU aren't, but those who suggest it are.
There is nothing wrong doing it for free if that is what you want and there is nothing wrong doing it for pay. But thinking a credit is going to bring the world to your door...won't happen. To get business takes work, some hard work, actually. And since everybody and his brother (and sister) is a photographer, it is harder work than ever. You would be better served building a portfolio of killer images (in whatever genre you wish) and beating down doors to show your work.
Show me one person who got "loads of work" from a photo credit on a calendar. Just one. C'mon...waiting. :-)
It matters not whether it is for a friend, a neighbor, the city, the state, or the Vatican. If you think a photo credit will bring you lots of work, you are very naive. Well, YOU aren't, but those who suggest it are.
There is nothing wrong doing it for free if that is what you want and there is nothing wrong doing it for pay. But thinking a credit is going to bring the world to your door...won't happen. To get business takes work, some hard work, actually. And since everybody and his brother (and sister) is a photographer, it is harder work than ever. You would be better served building a portfolio of killer images (in whatever genre you wish) and beating down doors to show your work.
Show me one person who got "loads of work" from a photo credit on a calendar. Just one. C'mon...waiting. :-)
Nov 14, 2012 17:38:45 #
CaptainC wrote:
Ron- br It matters not whether it is for a friend,... (show quote)
still waiting
:lol:
Nov 15, 2012 06:34:29 #
Ron, if this is going to be your first "PUBLISHED WORK" and the person asking you to do it is a neighbour, do it for FREE!!!!!! Your neighbour will probably ask "what do I owe you", my reply would be "just buy me beer". That way, you've just found a way of getting to know your neighbour better, have a beer for your trouble, maybe getting invited to the next BBQ, chance to find out if thats the sort of work he/she is about, a possible way "IN" on further work, and above all, hone your architectural photography skills and photography skills in general.
I did my first wedding shoot for materials cost only (that was in the days of film, you must have cards already so no extra materials needed in your case) many many years back, I built a good business on back of that one freebee and earned a great living at it up until I recently decided to semi retire at 50!!!!!! I can afford to do and have the time to do what I want now!!!
this one shoot won't make you rich, but it'll give purpose to your hobby, so just enjoy!!!!!!!
Go for it mate
GO FOR IT MATE!!!!!!!!
I did my first wedding shoot for materials cost only (that was in the days of film, you must have cards already so no extra materials needed in your case) many many years back, I built a good business on back of that one freebee and earned a great living at it up until I recently decided to semi retire at 50!!!!!! I can afford to do and have the time to do what I want now!!!
this one shoot won't make you rich, but it'll give purpose to your hobby, so just enjoy!!!!!!!
Go for it mate
GO FOR IT MATE!!!!!!!!
Nov 15, 2012 06:48:24 #
I say do what you feel comfortable with doing..it is your decision...I did several free jobs myself this year while learning some new equipment..it is a great marketing tool..others see your work and hopefully it leads to paying jobs...all the ones I did for free I simply ask them to use the watermarked photos whenever they upload them to show off on facebook and recommend me to friends who want a photoshoot..I won't take on weddings anymore..you can't pay me enough for that....lol
Nov 15, 2012 07:24:19 #
CaptainC wrote:
Ron- br It matters not whether it is for a friend,... (show quote)
I got published in a calendar,,,,,I'm still waiting too :)
Nov 15, 2012 07:27:15 #
Is the "City building" a business that your "Neighbour works in. If that is the case, then I think you should charge. If it is a building that your neighbour likes the look of then I would think it would be a gift to the neighbour. You never know when you might need a favour from the neighbour.
Nov 15, 2012 07:39:55 #
I'm not against doing some work for free as a favor for a friend, but I'm also against giving away my efforts when everyone else is being paid (unless it's a charity that I support whole heartedly and then I get a letter from the charity that I can show the IRS stating I donated $X.XX to said charity).
A former boss helped me form this policy years ago when I worked for his radio station. We would have many groups come to us asking for free "public service announcements" then turn around and pay big bucks for ads in the local newspaper. Most people had no problem coming up with some money for radio ads if you politely explained that they could have as many free ads on the radio as they got from the newspaper.
A standard photo credit, in small print, that says "Photo courtesy of Joe Smith" is NOT an effective advertisement for your photography business.
It would be interesting to know if this calendar is one being done for the city or a business or if the OP's neighbor is simply making a couple dozen calendars for friends and family.
A former boss helped me form this policy years ago when I worked for his radio station. We would have many groups come to us asking for free "public service announcements" then turn around and pay big bucks for ads in the local newspaper. Most people had no problem coming up with some money for radio ads if you politely explained that they could have as many free ads on the radio as they got from the newspaper.
A standard photo credit, in small print, that says "Photo courtesy of Joe Smith" is NOT an effective advertisement for your photography business.
It would be interesting to know if this calendar is one being done for the city or a business or if the OP's neighbor is simply making a couple dozen calendars for friends and family.
Nov 15, 2012 08:07:16 #
Ron B wrote:
Looking for input on what others would charge for a small photo shoot. I was asked for a series of photos (12) of a city building, that are going to be used for a calendar.
They just want the images shot, a little enhancement, and burned on a CD. This person is neighbor and not a total stranger. Also, I use DSLR gear.
They just want the images shot, a little enhancement, and burned on a CD. This person is neighbor and not a total stranger. Also, I use DSLR gear.
You left out a lot of information critical to this decision. Who is publishing the calendar? How many copies will be printed? Will the calendar be sold? Who will make a profit from it? Was the neighbour representing himself, or some company, or the city? If the neighbour has recommended you to the city or some profit making organization, and been asked to approach you, then charge a reasonable amount and buy your neighbour a bottle of his favourite.
Nov 15, 2012 08:11:46 #
Did someone say, Hey it would be nice to have a calander, each month with one of these 12 buildings. Or "I would like to know what you would charge for taking pictures of these 12 buildings to use in a calander." I noticed you live in Florida (sunshine state). If this ia a job for the city, make sure they do not vote on how much they want to pay you. Could be waiting did the chads fall off.
Nov 15, 2012 08:13:31 #
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If the neighbour has recommended you to the city or some profit making organization, and been asked to approach you, then charge a reasonable amount and buy your neighbour a bottle of his favourite.[/quote]
If this is a city job DO NOT buy your neighbor a gift of any type.
If the neighbour has recommended you to the city or some profit making organization, and been asked to approach you, then charge a reasonable amount and buy your neighbour a bottle of his favourite.[/quote]
If this is a city job DO NOT buy your neighbor a gift of any type.
Nov 15, 2012 08:40:36 #
He sounds reasonable! Why has someone have to work for free? Maybe that was the intention in the first place.
If he states his fee they may go away, but he would know they wanted free photos. The fact that he has to go to a building, the building does not come to his studio as a person would, deserves some respect. I am not a pro, but value good work. That is assuming the work is going to be professional level or semi pro.
If he states his fee they may go away, but he would know they wanted free photos. The fact that he has to go to a building, the building does not come to his studio as a person would, deserves some respect. I am not a pro, but value good work. That is assuming the work is going to be professional level or semi pro.
Nov 15, 2012 09:19:05 #
Ron, perhaps I should have read your profile before making my previous comment, (although that still counts if you are a hobbyist) as I see by your profile that you have stated you are a FREELANCE PHOTOGRAPHER, this indicates that you are a pro or at the very least have some experience of marketing your work, unless this is the very start of your Freelance career.
If in fact you are a freelance photographer and not a hobbyist, as I, and I think most people here assumed, I now don't understand why you are asking about pricing, as you must or should, already know your hourly rate $$$$$ and the rates you expect from individual images etc etc etc.
If in fact you are a freelance photographer and not a hobbyist, as I, and I think most people here assumed, I now don't understand why you are asking about pricing, as you must or should, already know your hourly rate $$$$$ and the rates you expect from individual images etc etc etc.
Nov 15, 2012 09:20:39 #
First, I would like to say, can we just have a discussion without ripping each other apart?
I didnt think these facts were important, but, the building in question is a beautiful old opera house that has been refurbished into apartments,and owned by my nieghbors friend. She wants these pictures to make a calendar for HER business which is known throughout the city. The bottom line is: she needs photos, I need to get my name out there, and this project did not cost me a cent. Im not starving, but as a very successful TV cameraman retired, I would like to venture further into Digital Photography,
I didnt think these facts were important, but, the building in question is a beautiful old opera house that has been refurbished into apartments,and owned by my nieghbors friend. She wants these pictures to make a calendar for HER business which is known throughout the city. The bottom line is: she needs photos, I need to get my name out there, and this project did not cost me a cent. Im not starving, but as a very successful TV cameraman retired, I would like to venture further into Digital Photography,
Nov 15, 2012 09:36:59 #
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