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Dec 29, 2021 16:14:55   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
MyCloud backup by Western Digital plus iDrive cloud backup. Maybe it's overkill but I don't know of a better setup than RAID backup onsite plus cloud backup in case the onsite one gets destroyed in fires or floods. Like someone else mentioned nothing is stored on my laptop. Sometimes I leave them on the C drive while I work on them but then I transfer everything to the MyCloud which then gets backed up to the iDrive account. It's all automatic and I just check to make sure stuff is working every once in a while.

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Dec 29, 2021 16:15:36   #
JhnMhn
 
TriX wrote:
Glad your off-site DR copy saved your a$$ - there’s a lesson to be learned from your experience. But, if the cloud worries you (so easy to encrypt your data and hackers don’t care about your personal files - they’re looking for company DBs with SSNs), what should worry you is will that backup drive in the bank actually spin up? (a large percentage of drive failures occur on start-up). Which do you think is more reliable - a hundred dollar drive or 3-5 copies of your data stored at separate geographic locations, in hardened and professionally managed data centers, on redundant storage with redundant servers, networking and power?
Glad your off-site DR copy saved your a$$ - there’... (show quote)


I buy the best drives I can and prefer to go with my positive experience with them. Over the 20+ years I have relied on HDs for my business, the only drives that have been problems are drives that were in active use and my SortRAID software gave warning of impending problems before the drives actually failed. I have yet to have a drive refuse to spin up. Also, drives that refuse to spin up can be sent to recovery services avoiding catastrophic loss. I do rotate them so they never spend much time unused. As I said, we each choose the risks we are most comfortable with.

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Dec 29, 2021 16:18:02   #
photocraft Loc: Wyoming
 
bikerguy wrote:
My backup system for all files (photos and others) consists of two external drives. I attach one to the computer only when I am about to do my periodic backup. The second HHD is kept in a bank safe deposit box. Monthly I swap them and run a back up on the drive I took from the safe deposit box and then periodically during the month.

I do not want my financial information in cloud storage that may or may not have adequate protection from hacking.


I have a similar system. I backup all of my files to an external Seagate Backup Plus Hub and a thumb drive weekly. The first week of every month I also backup password vault files, Word/Excel/PowerPoint ribbons, contact lists, desktop shortcuts/folders and browser favorites so I can rebuild the basics in case of a crash. I do a quarterly backup of all of these items on a separate Seagate drive which is stored in our safe deposit box. The external drives are only connected to my computer when I am doing the backups. I keep a checklist to be sure I've done the work. It seems like a lot of duplication but in the event of a crash or catastrophe, better to have more than you think you will need.

And thanks lreisner for the suggestion to use Amazon Prime as another way to backup photo files. I had forgotten about this benefit, so I am in the process of backing up my photo library as I write this.

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Dec 29, 2021 16:20:14   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
I've had three episodes where a HD quit and wouldn't spin up. One was my daughter's 'puter when she was in college. One was in a laptop that I dropped, oops. One just quit on its own. Each time I had the data restored it cost me nearly $1000. That's why I have the RAID drives in the closet and an online account now. It's not a matter of if a drive will die it's a matter of when. It will happen even with a SSD, which I also had to replace.

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Dec 29, 2021 16:22:04   #
PACSMAN Loc: MA
 
Swapping around a bunch of drives seems way more complicated than a RAID to me. With a TAID your files are available to any computer in the house or via the Internet if you set it up correctly.

Get one with 5 drives and there is always a hot swap drive available if one fails.

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Dec 29, 2021 17:20:07   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
JhnMhn wrote:
I buy the best drives I can and prefer to go with my positive experience with them. Over the 20+ years I have relied on HDs for my business, the only drives that have been problems are drives that were in active use and my SortRAID software gave warning of impending problems before the drives actually failed. I have yet to have a drive refuse to spin up. Also, drives that refuse to spin up can be sent to recovery services avoiding catastrophic loss. I do rotate them so they never spend much time unused. As I said, we each choose the risks we are most comfortable with.
I buy the best drives I can and prefer to go with ... (show quote)


Understand. I will tell you though, after spending 25 years in the data storage industry for the largest data storage companies in the business, I have seen hundreds of drives fail to start, dozens of double drive failures, every kind of failure you can imagine from lightning strikes to fires, floods, catastrophic power surges, etc and dozens of restores from backup fail causing loss of data and loss of jobs in the aftermath. I would add that a data recovery service is a poor disaster recovery strategy - i can’t think of a single enterprise level data center that relies on that or drives in safe deposit boxes, thumb drives or CDs for DR, but hey, what do the pros know? I keep my DR copy in the Amazon S3 cloud, but as you said, to each his own.

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Dec 29, 2021 17:23:30   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
PACSMAN wrote:
Swapping around a bunch of drives seems way more complicated than a RAID to me. With a TAID your files are available to any computer in the house or via the Internet if you set it up correctly.

Get one with 5 drives and there is always a hot swap drive available if one fails.


And what is your strategy for dealing with a double drive failure? Always a good question to ponder and be prepared for.

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Dec 29, 2021 18:40:52   #
PACSMAN Loc: MA
 
TriX wrote:
And what is your strategy for dealing with a double drive failure? Always a good question to ponder and be prepared for.


As I said earlier the RAID backs up to a USB drive weekly. It also performs health checks on all of the drives.

I’d rather risk a (very unlikely) double drive failure than swapping a bunch of USB drives around. There’s a reason that data centers use RAIDs for data storage

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Dec 29, 2021 18:50:46   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
PACSMAN wrote:
As I said earlier the RAID backs up to a USB drive weekly. It also performs health checks on all of the drives.

I’d rather risk a (very unlikely) double drive failure than swapping a bunch of USB drives around. There’s a reason that data centers use RAIDs for data storage


The reason for my question is not to question your methodology, but to suggest that you and others consider what happens if you lose either two drives at once or lose a second drive while rebuilding to a spare from a failed drive (which can take days with large drives). The answer is you lose all your data. Yes, a RAID is more resilient than a single drive, but both a local backup and an off-site DR copy are also needed, and a RAID is not a substitute for those. Just want to be clear on that.

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Dec 29, 2021 20:12:32   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Guess I am 'self-categorizing' myself as more and more time goes by. I seem to be more 'old school' by not trusting the cloud. And I still don't.

I like to control my images and the access to them. I use Seagate 5TB portable USB drives for backup and duplication to a second 5TB drive for greater security. I always have a 'spare' copy of my originals - especially when terabyte storage is so cheap. I keep the original, my retouched transition images and my final image that is ready for publishing. Separate would be copies for a specific output like a printer that will have reduced overall tonal range/clarity in highlights and shadows, etc. depending upon the printer, paper, print size, etc.

If necessary, having control is more than worth the small price I must pay to get it.

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Dec 29, 2021 20:21:04   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
Guess I am 'self-categorizing' myself as more and more time goes by. I seem to be more 'old school' by not trusting the cloud. And I still don't.

I like to control my images and the access to them. I use Seagate 5TB portable USB drives for backup and duplication to a second 5TB drive for greater security. I always have a 'spare' copy of my originals - especially when terabyte storage is so cheap. I keep the original, my retouched transition images and my final image that is ready for publishing. Separate would be copies for a specific output like a printer that will have reduced overall tonal range/clarity in highlights and shadows, etc. depending upon the printer, paper, print size, etc.

If necessary, having control is more than worth the small price I must pay to get it.
Guess I am 'self-categorizing' myself as more and ... (show quote)


And what, specifically, is your concern about cloud storage knowing that all your important data - financial, medical, SSN, military records and 70% of all the companies you do business with already have their data there (not to mention the DOD and Intel agencies)?

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Dec 29, 2021 21:22:23   #
CliffMcKenzie Loc: Lake Athens Texas
 


Great article...thank you for sharing

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Dec 31, 2021 08:35:13   #
Bayou
 
TriX wrote:
And that is the problem with trusting your data to small, non- enterprise storage companies. If it’s a RAID, even though they may call it by a standard RAID level (0,1,5…), the actual way the data is laid down on disk is not necessarily readable by another RAID controller except maybe for RAID 1 (simple mirroring). And a NAS is worse. Why? Because with a NAS, it owns the file system, which to save licensing costs, is usually a proprietary, small company created product. Now since the file system is just behind the OS in terms of importance, do you really want to trust your data to a company that just has a few SW engineers? They may be brilliant SW designers, but they don’t have the resources (or $) to do the kind of testing and QA of a Microsoft. Personally, if I couldn’t afford enterprise class storage from NetApp, EMC/Dell, etc., I’d buy a JBOD (just a bunch of drives) enclosure from a reputable company, and let Windows/NTFS or MacOS create the RAID groups or act as a NAS server (both have that capacity built into the OS). You can bet the file system will be well tested and stable and that the data on disk can be read by any Windows or Mac computer. And whatever you do, keep a DR (disaster recovery) copy of your data off-site, and test your local backup system (backup is easy, recovery is where the potential pain resides).

Just my opinion(s) as usual.
And that is the problem with trusting your data to... (show quote)




KISS for sure, keep it simple...and test that recovery process!

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Dec 31, 2021 10:37:08   #
jtbdal
 
dandev wrote:
I'm looking for suggestions on a file storage solution. (Like a Drobo).
I'm thinking 2 separate hard drives - plus a third drive just for backup. I'm ready to spring for solid state drives.
Or maybe the backup is in the cloud.

Thanks...


Before you look at Synology, look at Asustor. I have a two drive unit with an expansion unit with 4 drives. Customer support is excellent and this system will do anything you want it to do.

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Dec 31, 2021 20:30:17   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
I bought 2 6T hard drives from
B AND H FOR 130 each

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