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Dec 20, 2021 08:19:09   #
Canisdirus
 
Sony...it depends on your lenses.
If you went ahead and purchased FF lenses for your crop body...then I'd have to recommend a used A7RIII (42MP).
Can pick one up for 1800 or so (B&H)...maybe 1500 elsewhere...I haven't checked.

Dedicated crop bodies are going to fall away at some point...since the FF's are coming out now with that option built in.
Few use it I think (I sure don't)...since I get more versatility by shooting in FF...mode.
But it is handy to see the framing in real time.

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Dec 20, 2021 08:45:02   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
jaymatt wrote:
My primary cameras are a Canon Rebel that is slowly dying and not worth the repair cost and a Sony a6000. I am considering replacing the Rebel with a Canon t8i or another Sony body. My budget is in the $1500 range max. Because of lenses I already have, I am not changing brands.

Your thoughts before I decide which way to go?


For $1500 you COULD get a Sony RX10 IV - and ditch ALL the rest .....

OR, Go all in with either the Canon 80/90D or the Sony A65/6600 .....do not go half way .
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Dec 20, 2021 08:55:01   #
Mustanger Loc: Grants Pass, Oregon USA
 
I have had my Rebel T8i for a year now & I highly recommend it! It has 24 Megapixels and 7.4 frames per second & a much higher ISO upper range & with the new Digic 8 software I get very usable pictures at ridiculous ISO's & lower than normal shutter speeds. Most of mine are handheld to boot right now. I have finally taken some good BIF pictures, a few that knock my socks off.

With your Canon lenses that you already have it seems an easy choice to me. I paid $749 body only from B&H Camera. I have found nothing I don't like & it is a big jump from my old T1i & a T6 I was using. Or if you are missing any Canon lenses now would be a good time to add one when you get the T8i. IMO... Walt

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Dec 20, 2021 09:51:34   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
jaymatt wrote:
My primary cameras are a Canon Rebel that is slowly dying and not worth the repair cost and a Sony a6000. I am considering replacing the Rebel with a Canon t8i or another Sony body. My budget is in the $1500 range max. Because of lenses I already have, I am not changing brands.

Your thoughts before I decide which way to go?


You can buy a 6d11 or a 7d11 body for just under $1500 if you don't want or need mirrorless

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Dec 20, 2021 10:00:53   #
ecobin Loc: Paoli, PA
 
jaymatt wrote:
My primary cameras are a Canon Rebel that is slowly dying and not worth the repair cost and a Sony a6000. I am considering replacing the Rebel with a Canon t8i or another Sony body. My budget is in the $1500 range max. Because of lenses I already have, I am not changing brands.

Your thoughts before I decide which way to go?


My suggestion: Sell your Sony gear to KEH or other. Then purchase: https://www.keh.com/shop/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-digital-slr-camera-body-30-4-m-p-1.html

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Dec 20, 2021 10:57:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Sony cameras for $1,500 -
https://www.google.com/search?q=Sony+camera+for+%241%2C500&oq=Sony+camera+for+%241%2C500&aqs=edge..69i57j0i333j69i64.11961j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Canon cameras for $1,500 -
https://www.google.com/search?q=Canon+camera+for+%241%2C500&ei=WqfAYZnhJfOlptQPmuijoAI&ved=0ahUKEwiZ9vnM3vL0AhXzkokEHRr0CCQQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=Canon+camera+for+%241%2C500&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQgAEM0CMgUIABDNAjIFCAAQzQIyBQgAEM0CSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUABYhAlg_RFoAHACeACAAVCIAewCkgEBNZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

Buying refurbished will get you a like-new camera for less, or a better camera for the same price. Once you decide on a brand, look for comparisons between cameras. Or, use comparisons to decide between brands.

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Dec 20, 2021 11:52:48   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
jaymatt wrote:
My primary cameras are a Canon Rebel that is slowly dying and not worth the repair cost and a Sony a6000. I am considering replacing the Rebel with a Canon t8i or another Sony body. My budget is in the $1500 range max. Because of lenses I already have, I am not changing brands.

Your thoughts before I decide which way to go?


Both the Sony and Canon systems are good.

The Sony system is mirrorless, while the Canon is DSLRs. Do you have a preference for one type of camera over the other? There are advantages and disadvantages to both types of cameras. For example, a mirrorless camera's electronic viewfinder has some neat features not found in the optical viewfinder of a DSLR... But, an EVF also uses more battery power and is blacked out when the camera is powered down.

Do you feel more "comfortable" using one brand or the other?

And how extensive is the system you have for each of them? Lenses? Accessories? Do you have any favorites among the lenses? Or do you have any dedicated accessories (such as flash) where you prefer one brand over the other?

I assume you want to stay with an APS-C format sensor, since that's what is in both your current cameras and probably have at least some "crop only" lenses that you wouldn't be able to use if you were to switch to a full frame camera. For that reason I'm going to narrow my response to only APS-C cameras.

Personally I use Canon gear and know that system best. I only have passing knowledge of the Sony system. I'll take a stab at the generalities anyway, but invite others to chime in who know more about the Sony system.

Sony currently offers four APS-C mirrorless cameras that use the same E-mount lenses as your camera:

a6100
a6400
a6600
ZV-E10

Canon currently offers four APS-C DSLR cameras that can accommodate both EF and EF-S lenses you have:

T7 (Rebel)
SL3 (Rebel)
T8i (Rebel)
90D

$1500 is sufficient to purchase ANY of the above models.

Among those Sony, the ZV-E10 is primarily intended for vloggers. While all the models can shoot video, that camera is optimized for this purpose. I'm going to assume you want a camera that's primarily intended for still photography and only look at the a6000-series cameras. All three of those are 24MP, same as your a6000. There have been improvements to the sensors and processors, but the resolution remains similar.

From your a6000...
- a6100 ($748) is a step up that adds a almost triple the AF points, eye tracking, rotating touch screen LCD, about 15% more shots per charge, 4K video and more. https://cameradecision.com/compare/Sony-Alpha-a6100-vs-Sony-Alpha-a6000
- a6400 ($898) is a further step up, same as a6100 plus additional sealing for weather resistance, higher resolution electronic viewfinder. https://cameradecision.com/compare/Sony-Alpha-a6100-vs-Sony-Alpha-a6400
- a6600 ($1398) is yet another step up, same as a6400 plus In Body Image Stabilization (IBIS) and much better claimed power efficiency (see note below). https://cameradecision.com/compare/Sony-Alpha-a6400-vs-Sony-Alpha-a6600

Note: The a6600 appears on paper to get about 2X as many shots per charge as your camera or either a6100 or a6400. However, the reason for this is the a6600 doesn't have a built in flash. When a camera has a built in flash the standardized CIPA testing requires the flash be used on 50% of the test shots and that's a heavy drain on the camera's battery. As a result, a camera without a built-in flash, that relies instead on an accessory flash that has it's own power supply, will always appear to be more power efficient.

You didn't specify which of the numerous Canon Rebel models (which go by other names outside N. America) you have, so it's harder to make comparisons.

- Canon T7 Rebel ($449 w/kit 18-55mm kit lens) is their cheapest and most entry-level model. It may well be a step down from the camera you have now, but we can't say for certain. It has a 24MP sensor, but uses an old processor (Digic 4) and has a very simplistic AF system similar to what Canon was putting in their cameras in 2005. The T7 is ONLY sold with a kit lens, the least expensive EF-S 18-55mm IS "II" (micro motor... slower & noisier). It lacks a number of features that are standard on all other Canon DSLRs: The T7 doesn't have a self-cleaning sensor. It also doesn't have Anti-Flicker. There is also a two lens kit offered with T7, which adds the worst telephoto zoom Canon has ever made... the EF 75-300mm "III" (the EF-S 55-250mm IS STM is a much, much better lens in all respects, but isn't offered in kit with this camera).

- Canon SL3 Rebel ($599, body only) is the world's smallest and lightest DSLR. It's even as light or lighter than some mirrorless cameras! It also uses a 24MP sensor, has a similarly basic 9-point AF system as is in the T7, and also lacks Anti-Flicker but in almost every other way is a solid improvement and more full featured camera. It is available as a body only, but even when bought in kit it's bundled with better lenses: 18-55mm IS "STM", faster & quieter focus.... and in two-lens kits with 55-250mm IS STM. Hey, it's even available in white, if you're bored with black cameras! https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T7-vs-Canon-EOS-Rebel-SL3

- Canon T8i Rebel ($749, body only) is the most full featured of the Rebel series to date. It's 24MP, has everything found in the SL3 plus a much more advanced 45-point AF system, Anti-Flicker and more. It actually is notably less power efficient than the SL3 (but still rated to do about 50% more shots than the Sony a6100 or a6400). https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T8i-vs-Canon-EOS-Rebel-SL3

- Canon 90D ($1199, body only) is not a Rebel model. With 32.5MP sensor it is the highest resolution of any APS-C camera on the market. Heck, it has higher resolution than many full frame cameras! This is great for added fine detail, but also makes the camera more susceptible to shake blur. Somewhat faster shutter speeds may be necessary and good technique is important. The differences between this and the Rebel series cameras are numerous. For one, the Rebels all use a "penta-mirror" instead of a true pentaprism viewfinder. That's to lower cost, but the 90D with a pentaprism offers a bigger and brighter viewfinder. The AF system of the 90D and T8i is pretty similar. The 90D has a higher specification shutter... rated for longer life span of 120,000 "clicks" (vs 75,000 in most Rebels), faster 1/8000 top speed and 1/250 flash sync (vs 1/4000 and 1/200 in Rebels). 90D also has added sealing for better weather resistance, more external dials and buttons for direct access to many functions (less need to dive into menus), uses a larger battery that gives it the most shots per charge of any of these cameras (more than 3X as many shots as a6100, a6400). https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T8i-vs-Canon-EOS-90D

Finally, note that there are also some excellent recent Canon models that may still be available new or found refurbished directly from Canon USA (like new and same warranty as new). For example, the Canon 80D can be bought new for $899 and other than using a 24MP sensor and having a slightly slower frame rate is very similar to the 90D in a lot of respects. One advantage the 80D has over the 90D is that the older model can be fitted with a battery grip. That both doubles battery capacity and provides a vertical grip and controls convenient for portrait orientation shooting. For some reason Canon did away with battery grip capability in 90D. (The did the same with T8i versus the T7i, where a grip was avail.) There are some third party grips available, but they don't increase battery capacity or provide the additional controls.

Unfortunately, recently discontinued top-of-the-line APS-C 7D Mark II have sold out everywhere and are no longer available new. It's everything the 90D is and more, except it uses a more modest 20MP sensor. The 7DII has a more durable magnesium body, dual memory card slots, optional battery grip, a unique 65-point AF system that's in many ways superior to 90D's, higher durability rating (200,000 clicks) and more. It's a shame Canon discontinued it, but we're hopeful there will be an R7 mirrorless version of it in the not-too-distant future.

One of the advantages of the Canon system over the Sony is that the Canon system has been around 3X longer and has been the top selling system in the world for 20+ years. There are TONS of used Canon EF/EF-S lenses, cameras and other accessories on the market. Of course there are quite a few used Sony are available, too. Nowhere near what Canon are, though.

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Dec 20, 2021 13:00:25   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
P.S. There are extensive, detailed reviews of the above Canon cameras at The-Digital-Picture.com

Bryan Carnathan does a great job with his reviews. Highly recommended.

There may be some Sony reviews there, too. But he mostly focuses on Canon gear.

I agree, too, with some previous suggestions you decide on one system and sell off the other. You could sell or trade in to a dealer, but they will only give you wholesale $. You would do better $-wise selling things to other photographers yourself. But, of course, that's more work. If you want to get an idea of values, look up specific things on eBay and filter to only see the "sold" items. That gives you a good idea what people are paying for stuff.

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Dec 20, 2021 13:06:54   #
gasstro Loc: Indiana
 
I would check out the 90D. II had one before switching to the R6. It's a great camera, many functions and over 30 mp. It also fits existing Canon glass you have. Good luck with your decision!

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Dec 20, 2021 13:30:11   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
If you have EF and EF-S lenses your best bet is the 80D or 90D and save the rest of your $1500!

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Dec 20, 2021 13:51:25   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
imagemeister wrote:
For $1500 you COULD get a Sony RX10 IV - and ditch ALL the rest .....

OR, Go all in with either the Canon 80/90D or the Sony A65/6600 .....do not go half way .
.


The camera I’ve shot most with over the past two years is my Sony RX10MIV. It’s a great camera for the purposes I bought it for, mainly to shoot from a kayak. That being said there is no way it could replace my other gear. It has the worst ergonomics of any of my cameras, the 1” sensor means I’m almost always dealing with noise and the zoom is electronic so it’s slow and it loses focus when zooming.

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Dec 20, 2021 14:35:43   #
nealbralley Loc: Kansas
 
Sony A6000 is a fine camera. Even though that camera is now out of production, it is still a top seller! While I own a Sony A6600, you might consider going with an a6400 or a6500, solely because they use the a6000’s battery. A6600 has the newer, larger, and better battery (same as the Sony a7III series battery), and the a6600 has in body image stabilization. The a6600 is a lot of camera, and as others have said, it will consume your budget.

I haven’t used Canons of late, so I can’t really speak to them; Canon makes fine cameras and lenses, but I believe they may change lens configurations with some frequency, and that may present some challenges. You may want to ensure that won’t present an issue with someone more knowledgeable about that brand and their lens configurations.

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Dec 20, 2021 15:08:52   #
User ID
 
PHRubin wrote:
One can only wait and see. I would be curious to check one out if they came out with an APS-C MILC. People anticipate an R7 to follow the 7D. But I am very happy with my 80D, so I can be patient.

My doubts arise cuz Canon has already dove feet first into APSC LV cameras with their ridiculous M-series. Maybe they’ve learned the lesson and the current delay reflects a cautious new approach.

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Dec 20, 2021 18:28:10   #
boby
 
anotherview wrote:
Consider buying a refurbished Rebel or a used one.


I think a 90d is about $1100 which is a much better choice than another Rebel and would last for years

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Dec 20, 2021 19:46:45   #
ronf78155 Loc: Seguin Texas
 
Canon 80D...you can use all your lenses and the 80D is fantastic !

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