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Dec 15, 2021 01:48:59   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
IDguy wrote:
I’m asking. You were supporting this latest Californiafication.


It just more liberal BS.

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Dec 15, 2021 05:58:13   #
howIseeit Loc: Kootenays, BC Canada
 
letmedance wrote:
It already takes a permit to install a Generator of 50HP or more in Ca. and approval can take up to a year.

I would rather see just banning 2 cycle gas engines, some Motorcycles and many and dirt bikes, along with a lot of lawn equipment use these super polluters.


In mean time we are being sprayed like rabits from the air and NO one is allowed to comment. All one has to do is to look up and voila there they go again. Clean air good by. Going after mc, lawnmowers and life saving generators...what will the idiots try to pass on people next?

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Dec 15, 2021 07:47:32   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 


That truck was why I purchased Ford stock earlier this year and have been quite happy with the returns but the truck itself is a relatively expensive purchase.

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Dec 15, 2021 08:18:20   #
D.E.Kells Loc: Central OHIO
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://rvmiles.com/california-generator-ban/

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) passed a regulation aimed at “Small Off-Road Engines” on Thursday that will ban the sale of portable generators in the state — which includes generators mounted in recreational vehicles.

The ruling bans the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers and lawnmowers in the state beginning in 2024. Portable generators will be required to meet more stringent standards in 2024 and meet zero-emission standards starting in 2028.

In the 2024 model year, portable generators will have to improve their efficiency by somewhere between 40% and 90%, which seems unrealistic in such a short period of time, so the reality is, it will be very hard to find a generator in Calfornia in two years.

The original text of the ruling was ambiguous on whether the use of generators would be banned — that’s been cleared up. You will still be able to use a generator you already own in California, so there will be no issue for current RV owners or those who travel into the state.

The statement from CARB says that despite their small size, Small Off-Road Engines are highly polluting. The volume of smog-forming emissions from this type of equipment has surpassed emissions from light-duty passenger cars and is projected to be nearly twice those of passenger cars by 2031.

The ruling seems directly aimed at landscaping businesses, trying to get them to adopt battery power. But does lumping generators in with lawnmowers and leaf blowers make sense, especially in a state with so many power outages? A comparable solar system to a $400 generator costs in the tens of thousands and is still hampered by a cloudy day.

The RV industry has recently embraced solar power heavily, but the reality is, without extensive upgrades, it’s impossible to run the electrical systems on an RV without shore power or a generator. Many people — even those with solar power systems — use their generators for emergency power.
https://rvmiles.com/california-generator-ban/ br ... (show quote)



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Dec 15, 2021 09:40:20   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
I had rental properties in Richmond VA for many years, all of my typically "gas-powered" tools, chain saw, hedge trimmer, and lawnmower, had extension cords and started with a 110 Volt click of the on-off switch. When away from Richmond VA and living in Florida the battery on my VA rental work truck was charged with a solar cell in a garage window, ready to start the truck when needed.

Stimulated by this topic, I thought, well, this condo is wired for MaBell phones and with a solar-charged battery system, I could hook into the unused wires and have LED lighting through. One auto-battery would light my condo for weeks [?].

When in Phx AZ I consulted on the permitting of a large silicon wafer plant. One question posed at a public hearing was regarding the hydrocarbon emissions of the plant, which were virtually nonexistent. My reply was that in each garage there is a can of fuel and the evaporation from those cans amounted to 1000 times more than the plant. The fuel burned in the home devices, was inefficient and the exhaust was horrific when considered as a whole, especially when all were used on some Saturday morning.

Yep, go electric. And the electricity should be renewable and perhaps generated by a Thorium/Uranium safe reactor which consumes the waste from the dangerous old water-cooled systems like Chernobyl, Three-Mile, and Fukushima. Worse yet was "The Day We Almost Lost Detroit." Fermi-one was a Sodium Cooled Plutonium Fast Breeder Reactor ... stray sheet metal from construction plugged the cooling system [so claimed] and the system could have exploded sending deadly plutonium into the inversion cold winter day Detroit atmosphere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi_Nuclear_Generating_Station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Almost_Lost_Detroit

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USA developed Thorium Reactors in the 1960's Nixon pleasing his contributors [Bribery for sure] declared that all history should be destroyed and we went with water-cooled. The history illegally was hidden by the researchers and in the 21 century published. USA has not allowed work because they are not up to water cooling standards .. which of course do not apply!! Other countries are working on Thorium Safe reactors example.. China is using our technology which we will not allow here at home.

"Scientists are excited about an experimental nuclear reactor using thorium as fuel, which is about to begin tests in China"
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02459-w

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Dec 15, 2021 10:18:06   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
That truck was why I purchased Ford stock earlier this year and have been quite happy with the returns but the truck itself is a relatively expensive purchase.


“Relatively Expensive” seems a bit understated. When some pick-‘em-up trucks are selling (!) for upwards of $80 000 -$ ‘I’d guess’ >$60 000+- for an EV Truck would not be excessive.

(Still . . . It would be > 1/3 of what we paid for our HOUSE.)

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Dec 15, 2021 11:03:29   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Wyantry wrote:
It appears the avowed purpose of all these “Greenie” proposals is to drive rational and sensible self-reliant types from the state. No generators. No leaf-blowers. No mulchers. No chainsaws. No rototillers. No edging trimmers. No _____, No ______, No _____.

Pretty soon no blanking-people!


Just an Overage of politicians and enforcement-weenies to spy, cite and fine.

And lots of indigents sucking at the governments teats.


Trouble is they are flocking to Idaho in droves. Driving up house prices wildly with above asking bidding wars. And they bring their stupid politics with them.

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Dec 15, 2021 12:33:29   #
btbg
 
Wyantry wrote:
“Relatively Expensive” seems a bit understated. When some pick-‘em-up trucks are selling (!) for upwards of $80 000 -$ ‘I’d guess’ >$60 000+- for an EV Truck would not be excessive.

(Still . . . It would be > 1/3 of what we paid for our HOUSE.)


There are still no full sized four wheel drive EV pickups. Also, so far they do not have enough range. And, finally most of us do not purchase new pickups. We buy used and pay far less than the retail price for a new truck.

And, on top of that, you can get a top of a line pickup for less than a top of the line Tesla.

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Dec 15, 2021 12:40:56   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Wyantry wrote:
“Relatively Expensive” seems a bit understated. When some pick-‘em-up trucks are selling (!) for upwards of $80 000 -$ ‘I’d guess’ >$60 000+- for an EV Truck would not be excessive.

(Still . . . It would be > 1/3 of what we paid for our HOUSE.)


Yeah that is the deal, some of use live on SSI and a modest investment account, throwing out 50 to 100K on a truck seems to be a bit of an overreach. The government is going to give us a CPI raise that amounts to about 1/2 of the inflation rate, I suspect this will be the case for years to come.

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Dec 15, 2021 13:09:44   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://rvmiles.com/california-generator-ban/

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) passed a regulation aimed at “Small Off-Road Engines” on Thursday that will ban the sale of portable generators in the state — which includes generators mounted in recreational vehicles.

The ruling bans the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers and lawnmowers in the state beginning in 2024. Portable generators will be required to meet more stringent standards in 2024 and meet zero-emission standards starting in 2028.

In the 2024 model year, portable generators will have to improve their efficiency by somewhere between 40% and 90%, which seems unrealistic in such a short period of time, so the reality is, it will be very hard to find a generator in Calfornia in two years.

The original text of the ruling was ambiguous on whether the use of generators would be banned — that’s been cleared up. You will still be able to use a generator you already own in California, so there will be no issue for current RV owners or those who travel into the state.

The statement from CARB says that despite their small size, Small Off-Road Engines are highly polluting. The volume of smog-forming emissions from this type of equipment has surpassed emissions from light-duty passenger cars and is projected to be nearly twice those of passenger cars by 2031.

The ruling seems directly aimed at landscaping businesses, trying to get them to adopt battery power. But does lumping generators in with lawnmowers and leaf blowers make sense, especially in a state with so many power outages? A comparable solar system to a $400 generator costs in the tens of thousands and is still hampered by a cloudy day.

The RV industry has recently embraced solar power heavily, but the reality is, without extensive upgrades, it’s impossible to run the electrical systems on an RV without shore power or a generator. Many people — even those with solar power systems — use their generators for emergency power.
https://rvmiles.com/california-generator-ban/ br ... (show quote)


F California, they seem to generate their own bullshit and their state seems to get worse and worse. I wish they would stay there instead of migrating and bringing with them the shit they just moved to get away from.

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Dec 15, 2021 13:30:32   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
When your looking for dumb laws we always look to the left state.

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Dec 15, 2021 16:11:52   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
One Rude Dawg wrote:
F California, they seem to generate their own bullshit and their state seems to get worse and worse. I wish they would stay there instead of migrating and bringing with them the shit they just moved to get away from.


Did anyone ever stop to think that those leaving might be Conservatives looking for representation?

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Dec 15, 2021 18:48:41   #
redlegfrog
 
IDguy wrote:
So all cell tower generators go?

ER emergency gens?


You quickly see how stupid the hippies running California can be. Probably none of them have ever had a blue collar job so they have no idea how things really are.

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Dec 15, 2021 19:20:16   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
redlegfrog wrote:
You quickly see how stupid the hippies running California can be. Probably none of them have ever had a blue collar job so they have no idea how things really are.


Why would California elect Newsome, a man born with a silver spoon in his mouth?

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Dec 15, 2021 19:23:45   #
redlegfrog
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Why would California elect Newsome, a man born with a silver spoon in his mouth?


Sometimes I think everyone in office in Calif. is connected and outsiders won't stand a chance.

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